There are so many points about being free of religion and attendant guilt that celebration is possible ever moment of every waking day, I do not know where to begin. Abolish fear by simply denying the existance of a judgemental condemning distant non-existant deity. If there was a deity of note, it would have no gender at all. But for an atheist, there is no point in speculating about this imaginary thing that I will not even label give a name.

Is it inconsistant to you that are reading this that as an atheist, I still take the principles and the ideas of astrology seriously? The reason that I have turned to the study of astrology is not to answer any questions about the meaning of life or need to understand free will as opposed to free choice, but grasping all of the deeper concepts that astrology holds begins to explain why people have a deep inate need to believe in something that is greater than themselves. I personally view people who bow and bend to an imagnary deity to be weaker and intellectually inferior. Belief in religion tends to warp the perceptions and causes levels of dysphoria, states of illusion that are close to mental disorders. Those caught in the frenzy of their own beliefs display all signs of disconnection from the real world, and can be labelled as experiencing a mental dsorder. There i no such thing as heaven or hell, no need for salvation. All those cookies, those carrots that they hold up as motivators are completely bogus, empty meaningless, without any substance whatsoever promises and sleight of hand.

Freedom of mind leads to freedom of spirit. There is much to reveal in order to free the minds and spirits of those who are enslaved by the school of liars especially in Roman Catholicism.
Christian denominations is that their leader, Jesus the Christ, was a devout Jew who followed Jewish ways of living observing the Laws of Moishe(Moses). If this man who in life was called Yeshua ben-Yosef, not Jesus the Christ, was a Jew, why does Roman Catholicism not follow the Jewish ways of doing thing?

There are answers to these questions but it is a good way of beginning to undermind the authority that Constantine perverted Christianity created.

It is not enough to question that bugaboo about a deity that is supposed to be omniscient, omnipotent, omni-loving, omni-present. Such fakeries that I was fed as a child by my well-intentioned parents and family. It is not enough to question that there is no such thing as hell or heaven, to show the weakness of this erroneous belief based on the fact that Jews themselves have never had dichotomy of heaven and hell nor the belief in salvation.

The base principles that the teacher Yeshua ben-Yosef (Jesus the Christ) taught about unconditional love are valid to this day. His principles of forgiving 7 times 70 times is a very good basis for living, But without judgement or condemnation.

Leaving you with these thoughts..

Ed Joseph

States of bliss and dysphoria are no stranger to me, however, I know the difference between these moments of disconnection and my real world.

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Comment by Doug Reardon on August 30, 2009 at 3:01pm
Seriously? Astrology?
Comment by Reggie on August 30, 2009 at 7:20pm
I personally view people who bow and bend to an imagnary deity to be weaker and intellectually inferior.

I do not share that view. I know many strong and intelligent theists.

Your post did leave me wondering where you were heading with the astrology angle. You seemed to abandon it soon after mentioning it.
Comment by Reggie on August 30, 2009 at 8:35pm
@ Natalie - That simply is not true. Or are you saying you are smarter than Isaac Newton? He believed all sorts of nonsense. Are you smarter than evolutionary biologist Kenneth Miller who is Catholic? In many cases, the rationalization needed to hold what amounts to mutually exclusive viewpoints requires a certain level of intelligence. Because someone rationalizes certain ideas in their lives, like religion, does not make them unintelligent. Conversely, neither does a rejection of myths make one intelligent, either.
Comment by Ed Joseph on August 30, 2009 at 10:19pm
Sorry all, I did say intellectually inferior but did not explain in detal what I meant. There are may great Catholic and non-Catholic minds alike that are belivers. What I realy meant to imply is that believers' logic is often clouded by their belief. That does not mean that they are not thinking humans; their thinking is skewed & pretty much will be for good.

Mythology is a complex thing. Friedrich Nietzsche explored the many concepts of astrology and wrote about the great monotheist Zarahustra, also called Zardhusht in the original Pharsee, in his book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra". When you study Zorostrianism in detail, that in this religion, there is a great deal of astrological speculation concerning the precession of equinoxes as a fundamental principle based on the physical evidence of the Lead Fixed Star called Regulus. The position of this major astral body is verifiable by consulting astronomers as well as the accurate and reliable astrologers' ephemerides.

Intellectual inferiority is caused by the tunnel vision that belief implies

Fracking computer is so f**king slow¸

I'm losing it!!!!

Ed Joseph
Comment by Leo on August 31, 2009 at 9:20am
@ Ed - So is it just my logic about the existence of God that is clouded or my logic in general?

I'm still curious about your astrology position, do you believe/practice (whichever term you prefer) it?
Comment by Ed Joseph on August 31, 2009 at 10:59am
Leo hi!

I can fully explain my interest in astrology to you. I try not to defend astrology but simply inform peple that atrology is the oldest discipline and considered a science ever developed by the human mind. I simply accept astrology as fact.

Analysing, that is, examining a person's birth aspects at the moment of entry into the world is usually very revealing about the physical and mental, even spiritual aspects of a person. I do not use astrology for predictive purposes, only to myself or the other person more intimately.

The greater concepts of the precession of equinoxes indicating the end of the First Age and the coming into effect of the New Age is a real even tangible influence for some; as the Ages progress, historians and others are able to understand and implement the new influences that come with every New Age. These are in fact significant in that this is often an indicator of the progress of humanity.

At the end of the First Age of Pisces which our Earth and Solar System are currently in, humans have taken over in a big way all areas of the planet that are habitable. Technological, medical achievements have never been so elevated in known recorded history. The First Age of Aquarius is thought to be a new level in human evolution where spirit, mind and body will be more attuned, in tune with each other so that the human potential is now realisable. At least in theory, that is supposed to be a more in tune awareness.

Psy abilities which were supposed to be more commonly manifest from the beginning of the First Age of Pisces around 2,000 years ago, will be even more common in the First New Age of Aquarius. Along with technological advances this is supposed to be a very special time.

Predictive astrology is used by those who have, they claim, developed this ability. Not all astrologers have the same purpose or fate. My interest lies mostly in being able to explain these greater concepts and how they influence religious beliefs.

Jewish kabbalist philosophy, spirituality, mysticism employs astrological principles as a way of knowing the mind of their G-d, to know the will of G-d or to grasp and understand one's purpose in life. In Kabbalism, to read or understand the influences of the astral bodies is to know the mind of their G-d. I have revealed to others that in the Jewish Tanach, the names of the Sun and Moon and all nine planets are used in it. That is right: four thousand years ago, Father Abraham taught by Zarathustra himself (Melchi-Tsedek - Melchizedek is Zarathustra in the Book of Genesis) knew and used all of the nine planets. That is right, there is plenty of evidence that knowledge of the three outer planets was restricted to secret societies that passed this information on to those who had been prepared to receive this kind of knowledge. I could give you the complete list of the names of the major astral bodies and how their names have been mystified through incorrect translations. But that is another thesis.

Baruch Spinoza, a Dutch Jewish mystic, philospher and kabbalist astrologer in the 17th century said: "G-d and the universe are one." For his position, he was excommunicated from the Jewish community. It did not help that he was closely associated with Roman Catholic theologians, philosphers and mystics at the time.

Astrology and mythology are intricately intertwined. As an atheist, I am still inspired by what they tell, teach us about the human condition.

Hope this gives you some clue as to how the rational mind can approach the many concepts of astrology and apply that knowledge to an everyday use.

Ed Joseph
Comment by Reggie on August 31, 2009 at 12:57pm
Wow. I don't even know where to begin.

I simply accept astrology as fact.

That would be not unlike me saying I accept pink unicorns as fact. I can show you drawings of them all day and talk about the effect their existence has on our daily lives.

That is right: four thousand years ago, Father Abraham taught by Zarathustra himself (Melchi-Tsedek - Melchizedek is Zarathustra in the Book of Genesis) knew and used all of the nine planets.

But there are only eight planets! Okay, it's all in classification and semantics, really. But why no prediction of Charon? They are roughly the same size and the barycenter lies between the two. You could argue that if Pluto is a planet, then so is Charon. Is it in the astrological maps? Or what about other Kuiper Belt objects that are about the size of Pluto? Are all of these predicted too? Are they being kept secret until real scientists find them and only then admitted by the secret cabal of astrologers?

And by what mechanism do planets exert their influence on people?
Comment by Ed Joseph on September 1, 2009 at 12:59am
Physicists have inadvertently discovered that the major astal bodies exert geophysical forces on each other but have also discovered that when the astral bodies are aligned at right angles to Earth, there is a distinct type of energy created that is measurable. This is also true when they are aligned at 60 degrees and 120 degrees ansuch.

That I accept astrology is like you accepting pink elephants. Well so be it. No lose no gain.

After thousands of years of Pluto being recognised as a major influence in our Solar System (I do dispel the myth that the three outer astrals were only discovered starting in 1700's), the wise astronomers decided to redifine the perameters of a planet to introduce a new classfication called a dwarf planet. Pluto now classifies as a dwarf planet, but that does not matter to us astrologers. All major and minor astrals are significant in a chart for different reasons.

In some schools, Charon would be given its own signficance. In my mind the backward foward orbit/dance of Pluto and Charon around each other is very iffcult to track but since the more recently discovered Eris also has a satellite caled Disnomia, do we count both of their influences? Difficult to say.

Metis is a satellite of Uranus that travels at an incredible speed around its planet. It does have its own ephemeris. The imagery that Metis conjures in my thinking, is the knitting together of genetic matter in the joining together of an ovum and a sperm to create a new being.

All of the minor astrals have an ephemeris because they all have pedictable orbits.

Reggie, you should be talking to a Jewish Kabbalist practitioner and ask that person what he thinks of this ancient sacred tradition of keeping the day, the hours, the minutes. It is actually impossible to understand many passages in Tanach without including principles of astrology and the understanding that the references are astrologically based. There are very few mysteries left in that book fo me. This goes for the mny strange passages in the Christian testaments espcially the Book of Revelations.

The main point that I am trying to convey to you is that irrespectiveo whether or not astrology is true, its influence, knowledge and use, permeatted all levels of society and most societies practically until the 14th Century when the various Roman Catholic Inquisitions began to demonize and lionize this very ancient system of divination. The Vatican itself had astrologers unil the late 1600's.

It is not important for you to perceive some validity in the ancient science of astrology, it is only important that you accept that its influece has been around for thousands of years. Whether or not you see any personal validity is not important at all since you are an atheist. I too am an atheist but a respectful atheist. I even believe that I am a very spiritual being that is connected to every other being in some way or other.

Pythogoras the mathematician had discovered the various energies that each of the astrals projected but also identified them by sound. His speculations have been proved to be true many times over by modern day scientists.

I am an atheist yet I consider myself a very intuitive, connected and spiritual indivdual. And yes, after studying astrology, it holds great fascination because of its all permeating influence throughout the ancient world.

Does that make it difficult for you to accept that I proclaim like so many others that there is no deity or god of any kind and find myself fascinated by such a questionable - to you - discipline?

In promoting atheism, are all forms of philosophy, spiritualities and mysticism to be rejected outright without taking into consideration the possibility that each of these experiences holds a kernel of wisdom, a message about the experience of the human condition? Should we not take into consideration that bits of wisdom are possible even in these systems?

Ed Joseph
Comment by Reggie on September 1, 2009 at 8:03am
Physicists have inadvertently discovered that the major astal bodies exert geophysical forces on each other but have also discovered that when the astral bodies are aligned at right angles to Earth, there is a distinct type of energy created that is measurable. This is also true when they are aligned at 60 degrees and 120 degrees ansuch.

You'll surely excuse me if I don't accept that on faith alone. Can you cite sources? Preferably peer reviewed journals or I won't accept those sources.

Reggie, you should be talking to a Jewish Kabbalist practitioner and ask that person what he thinks of this ancient sacred tradition of keeping the day, the hours, the minutes.

Why would I care what a Kabbalist practitioner has to say...on any matter?

The main point that I am trying to convey to you is that irrespectiveo whether or not astrology is true, its influence, knowledge and use, permeatted all levels of society and most societies practically until the 14th Century when the various Roman Catholic Inquisitions began to demonize and lionize this very ancient system of divination. The Vatican itself had astrologers unil the late 1600's.

The main point IS the validity of astrology. People throughout the ages have believed all sorts of things. This does not make them true. The Vatican espoused a flat Earth view until in the 1600's. Shall we also entertain that?

It is not important for you to perceive some validity in the ancient science of astrology, it is only important that you accept that its influece has been around for thousands of years. Whether or not you see any personal validity is not important at all since you are an atheist. I too am an atheist but a respectful atheist. I even believe that I am a very spiritual being that is connected to every other being in some way or other.

So, you are saying I need only have faith in astrology? Ha! Furthermore, the fact that you or I are atheists is neither here nor there. Your implication that I am being disrespectful is duly noted, but I would point out that if I am disrespecting anything, it is your ideas and your beliefs and not your person. I don't know you, but I know your beliefs well enough to abuse them gleefully and without remorse. I can only ask that you do not take it personally.

Pythogoras the mathematician had discovered the various energies that each of the astrals projected but also identified them by sound. His speculations have been proved to be true many times over by modern day scientists.

Again, peer reviewed source, please?

I am an atheist yet I consider myself a very intuitive, connected and spiritual indivdual.

What does that even mean? Spiritual? People throw that word around as if it is meaningful. Can you explain what you mean?

Does that make it difficult for you to accept that I proclaim like so many others that there is no deity or god of any kind and find myself fascinated by such a questionable - to you - discipline?

No. I have no difficulty with the fact that people of all types believe in nonsense of all types. I do find it interesting to find someone claiming the belief in gods to be ridiculous but then sing the praise of astrology. I usually find the reverse to be true. But either way, it all amounts to the same type of belief based on faith and feel good emotions as far as I am concerned.

In promoting atheism, are all forms of philosophy, spiritualities and mysticism to be rejected outright without taking into consideration the possibility that each of these experiences holds a kernel of wisdom, a message about the experience of the human condition? Should we not take into consideration that bits of wisdom are possible even in these systems?


Atheism is merely a rejection of theistic claims and nothing more. Promoting anything beyond that is a separate issue that I would apply critical thought and reason to. I'm not really sorry to say that astrology does not fare any better than religion in this regard. Religions contain pearls of wisdom, too. Does this mean I must follow those religions or give them legitimacy, too?
Comment by Ed Joseph on September 2, 2009 at 12:16am
Reggie,

Atheism is merely a rejection of theistic claims and nothing more.

Then there is no point to our discussion at this time so I will take this in another direction.

Theism prespposes that an imagnary deity is resonsible not only for the existence of the Universe but its continued existence, and is involved in caring for it and everything in it. That of course is mere conjecture and unprovable.

My problem with theists and deists and religionists in general is that their focus is so completely misplaced on all the unprovable even ridiculous claims that they make. Their claims

My interest in Pythagoras is in understanding that in his secret brotherhood, he taught that there was salvation. But what was his idea of what salvation was. Many secretive mystery cults of ancient times offered a form of salvation but were not monotheistic or religionists of any specific denomination such as exist today.

In essence, religion of all kinds that claim that their deity is better than someone else's imaginary deity are the problem because in their zeal, they create division and dissension when what the world needs is unity and common ground.

To live in a world that is free of religious idealism may be completely ideal but it is one that I do see as a vision of possibilities.

As for Pythagoras and physicists who measure geocosmic forces using real instruments designed to do that, you can research it all on the internet. That is where I found most of it. But articles in science journals, in the science section of newspapers also have provided many points of information that I have alluded to. I do not feel the need to spoonfeed you information that is available through research on the internet.

Enjoy the research if that holds any interest for you.

I've mislead you somehow since you seem to thnk that to use astrology requires faith in it. We must all have faith in ourselves, in our intellects and personal abilities. Nothing more. I have no faith in astrology as you suggest. It is a tool. You can choose to use it or ignore it altogether. A vehicle is a tool of sorts that gets you from one place to another. i do know that some astrologers see their discipline that way.

Enjoy,

Ed Joseph

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