Seperation of church and state to have and to want.


One of the primary, long-terms aims of the National Secular Society is the disestablishment of the Church of England. This means separating Church and State, ending the privileged position of the Church of England with the Queen as both Head of the Church and Head of State. The result of this would be that the Church would no longer have privileged input into government but also that government could not involve itself in the running of the Church; both sides would gain autonomy.

There are two official two state-recognised Christian denominations – the Church of England and the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. There is no established church in Northern Ireland or Wales but the 26 unelected bishops of the Church of England who sit in the House of Lords influence laws that affect the whole of the UK.

The existence of a legally-enshrined, national religion and established church privileges one part of the population, one institution and one set of beliefs.

To remove all symbolic and institutional governmental ties with religion is the only way to ensure equal treatment not only to all religions but also to believers and non-believers.

The Church of England has enjoyed significant privileges relating to "establishment" for many centuries. These religious privileges have remained largely unchanged despite the massive and continuing reduction in support for the Church in the UK. This decline can be measured in terms of membership, attendance and – in the wider context of what the Church describes as its "mission to the nation" – belief in God or Christianity. The serious decline started around three quarters of a century ago and has become more precipitous in recent decades. Realistically, this trend is irreversible for the foreseeable future, making the case for the Church of England's establishment unsustainable.

We would like to see a written constitution that declares Britain to be a secular nation. This would better reflect the changing demographics of the country and ensure that no religion can disadvantage another by having privileged access to power.

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Comment by Stephen on February 14, 2016 at 12:08pm

If not fall at least disestablish, and then I think the C of E would then diminish in size. It would lose the kudos of being the state religion. 

Comment by Unseen on February 14, 2016 at 12:49pm

The Queen is the head of the Church of England? Does that make the Archbishop of Canterbury a lackey of the Queen?

Comment by SteveInCO on February 14, 2016 at 3:12pm

Don't be so sure that C of E will diminish in size.  And especially don't be so sure there won't be some religion that will grow.

The United States has NO established church, yet is very religious.  Quite the opposite of the correlation you'd expect, right?  It's all those Western European monarchies with an established religion where religion is doing so poorly.

Methinks it's because they have a guaranteed income, so they don't try as hard.  Here, congregants are the only way a preacher can make a living, so he'll try extra hard to create them.

I loathe the concept of handing the government money, so it can pay someone to push bullshit beliefs I don't share.  Thus I hope you succeed.  But I don't expect the side effects you do.

Comment by Stephen on February 14, 2016 at 3:21pm

No the Queen is head of the Church in name only, even the Arch Bishop of Canterbury has to obey the church synod. You ate right  SteveInCO but I still think the C of E would be the one church to diminish where as others might grow.

Comment by SteveInCO on February 14, 2016 at 3:58pm

Having said what I said, I can see the C of E's far too milquetoast to really appeal to the faithful, and the faithless will no longer have even a shred of reason to pretend to be in it.

We're seeing the same phenomenon here, where mainstream church attendance is suffering as both atheism and bible thumping fundie-ism are both growing.

Comment by TJ on February 14, 2016 at 6:35pm

The CofE gets paid to sit and push superstitious worldviews on the legal system of the country.

Almost no one, statistically, is in their pews outside of Parliament...and their presence is a throwback to when the church ran the government more directly.

Of course, so is the presence of royalty at, England does has its quaint anachronisms, etc.

Most LIKE having the royalty, even if its an essentially cosmetic position.....but the CofE has outlived its welcome.


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