Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 5, 2011 at 10:14pm
Comment by Jacob LeMaster on May 5, 2011 at 10:26pm
Comment by Raven on May 5, 2011 at 11:27pm Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating ten more. -George Bernard Shaw
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. -Max Planck
Just two quotes I thought fit this post well :)
Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 5, 2011 at 11:40pm
Comment by Akshay Bist on May 6, 2011 at 4:08am Based on observation, experimentation and previously established theories, science gives us the best explanation possible.
If a theory is proved to be wrong, then its they theory that failed, not science nor the scientific method.
I believe this title is somewhat misleading.
Science may be wrong about things, but it seeks to find out if it is wrong and why it might be wrong.
But let's get right to the heart of the matter (puns intended) - do you know anyone with an automatic defibrillator? I do, and he will be happy to testify how happy he is that science is "right" everytime his defibrillator restarts his heart. Do you know anyone who would otherwise be dead if not for medical science? I do, my daughter, who would have been dead at 3 from an easily curable infection if not for medical science- and I am thrilled medical science was "right." Do you enjoy your computer and the internet? Science, "right" again.
Obviously, I could go on endlessly with similar examples.
"What science and religion have in common is that they are both, on the surface, ways of seeking truth."
Please provide some specific examples where religion actually "seeks the truth" rather than declaring the truth. Both my friend with the defibrillator and my daughter would be dead if we relied on the "truth" religion might have provided (I guess prayer and God's will???)
Actually, I can accept science and religion are used to explain things- but there is no doubt religion has proven itself suboptimal and/or flat out wrong in the following areas: biology, genetics, physics, astronomy, history/archaeology, morality, mathematics, and medicine.
The religion virus/delusion is so strong that people continue to argue that we need both. I do not think this is actually the case. I, and many others, am much better off without religion and a belief in a god that was created by the minds of men.
We are probably in a necessary transitional stage in memetic evolution. But if we look at the evolution of god- animism, polytheism, monolatry, monotheism- it begs the question of whether atheism, agnosticism, freethought, etc. is the next logical step. I think science has helped this progression, but it has also helped increase the increase life span of humans- and the longer we have to think about religion and god, the more likely we are to question their utility and actually come to the realization we don't need them.
I say let's just get right to it and jump to atheism, agnosticism, freethought, etc. But, again, the memes that exist (self replicating belief systems) have evolved just as we have and will take time for them to change. But I believe as long as our life spans remain as long as they are, more and more people will become atheists, etc.
I forget who uses this phrase, or something like it, but I like it- we are all atheists, some of us just go one god further. To me, it seems like this is actually a natural progression.
Comment by Martin Pribble on May 8, 2011 at 7:40pm
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