The following messages were a conversation that took place between Robert Adair and me. I am posting this conversation because I believe it is important for people, especially Robert’s followers, to understand how Robert operates. In this conversation Robert continually harps on this idea that I do not understand the Cosmological Argument. The crux of Robert’s argument is that the universe must have an uncaused cause. Notice how when Robert is confronted he immediately resorts to name calling and ad hominem attacks. This is a tactic of uneducated and ignorant people. People who lack the ability to argue properly or lack the understanding of what they are saying resort to these tactics because they don’t know what to say. Robert highlights his lack of critical understanding of these arguments by his inability to answer the questions posed. Robert persists in his delusion that he has a perfect argument yet cannot explain it without name calling and attacking people’s character. This is yet another example of why Robert O Adair is a fraud. If Robert truly understood what he was saying he would just answer the questions and the argument would continue. Instead, because Robert cannot make a valid argument either by lack of education or understanding, he is forced to use other tactics. This is the cry of the ignorant; 

Comment on the article Letter to Robert O Adair  from Robert Adair

You have a rational ability be cause of course God created you that way. On the other hand, you never took the trouble to study logic and understand it. You haven't poked holes in the Cosmological argument, You have deliberatly misstated it. God is an uncaused cause, a self existent being. What caused God is a stupid Question. Let me spell it out, An uncaused cause doesn't have a cause. Get it? I doubt it. You lack intellectual discernment. I never said "Everything has a cause". I said as any science student knows, the universe is governed by physical laws which are always in operation and there are strings of causality which necessarily go back to the beginning of the world. If there is not a beginning, there is an infinite regress of events and time itself which is absurd. Even more absurd is the Big Bang Theory which aserts that "nothing is the cause of everything".The uncaused cause would have to be an entity of great intelligence.

 

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From: Vincent Van Noir
Sent: 2010-08-14 23:14:47
Subject: Message from Vincent Van Noir

Robert I have also posted this as a rebuttal.  

Robert, I did not misstate the cosmological argument, I understand perfectly the concept of the uncaused cause. I have poked holes in the argument as many people before me because I question the veracity of the claim. Kant, Hume, and many others had problems with the ontological argument. For you to act as though the idea that the uncaused cause is a universal proof is ridiculous in light of obvious fallacies attached with the idea. To accept your claim requires special pleading and even an element of equivocation. I am going to be nice and warn you that if you persist in this argument I am going to make you look like an ass. You obviously have abandoned reason and given yourself to zealot faith by virtue of your assumptions about me and my education. You should desist now.

 

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From: Robert O. Adair
Sent: 2010-08-14 23:34:18
Subject: Re: Message from Vincent Van Noir

The only people impressed by your Illogic are nincompoops like you. 1. Get some integrity, you have none. 2. Study logic, you don't know anything about it. 3.You can't be nice because you are a vicious, hate filled fanatic, devoid of reason. 4. You are not only dishonest with others you are dishonest with yourself, you can't face the fact that you have no idea what you are doing. And by the way, what education? You have already made yourself look like the fool you are in many articles. Besides having several earned doctor's degrees, I am a graduate of The School of Hard Knocks, one of the courses there was Put Up Or Shut Up. Too bad you missed it!

 

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From: Vincent Van Noir
Sent: 2010-08-14 23:55:39
Subject: Re: Message from Vincent Van Noir

Always the claim of the uneducated the "School of Hard Knocks" Let me ask you how do you get around the fact that you have to special plead in order to make your argument work? How do you explain the difference between conceptual and real argument? How do you explain all of the assumptions you have to make in order to get to the Christian God in your ontology? You are obviously intelligent and obviously a fool.

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From: Robert O. Adair
Sent: 2010-08-15 00:29:13
Subject: Re: Message from Vincent Van Noir

Well, well, as usual you are irrational, inconsistent and incoherent. I have several earned doctor's degrees, highly relevant to this discussion. They represent serious academic study. I did not buy them from a diploma mill as you pathological liars say I did. But I have also done many other things besides that in the real world of business and adventure. The combination of The School Of Hard Knocks and academic study is something I highly recommend. You never directly answer any arguments I present because you are intellectually bankrupt. I am very pleased to see an ignoramus like you share his stupidity with the world. That is why the evolutionist myth is being defeated in the free market of ideas. The prostitutes walking the streets have more of an idea of integrity. than you do. I can't tell you to get lost because you already are in several sense of the word.

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From: Vincent Van Noir
Sent: 2010-08-15 01:35:33
Subject: Re: Message from Vincent Van Noir

Again, how do you get around the fact that you have to special plead in order to make your argument work? How do you explain the difference between conceptual and real argument? How do you explain all of the assumptions you have to make in order to get to the Christian God in your ontology? I have directly answered all of your arguments you just fail to realize the reality.

 

From: Robert O. Adair

Sent: 2010-08-15 01:52:02

Subject: Re: Message from Vincent Van Noir

 

How do fail to understand that you can't be a pathological liar and receive my respect. Arguing with you is like playing cards with someone who habitually cheats! GET LPOST!How do fail to understand that you can't be a pathological liar and receive my respect. Arguing with you is like playing cards with someone who habitually cheats! GET LPOST!

 

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