Comment by Apple on May 14, 2011 at 11:01am

"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" Surah 2: 106

"When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not." Surah 16:101

Comment by J. Ratzinger on May 14, 2011 at 4:09pm

The effect of abrogation is that if there is a contradiction in the texts then whatever is later written supersedes whatever was written before. If it says in the texts that it is bad to kill an innocent unbeliever, but later on there is a passage which says it is good to kill an unbeliever for this or that, then the latter has superseded the earlier passage and the earlier passage is no longer in effect.

 

Muslims often quote a peaceful passage which speaks of tolerance from muhammads early days of weakness shortly after he invented islam, but they do not inform people that those peaceful passages are no longer in effect because they have been abrogated and superseded by later passages after muhammad had achieved greater military strength and was terrorizing, and murdering and robbing everyone he could.

 

These pesky gods get all confused I suppose and think better of their earlier mistakes made when drunk or under the influence of the godly narcotic ambrosia, so they just abrogate away their silly mistakes. Any god can make a mistake you know because writing coherent prose is a difficult task so don't judge them too harshly for not being perfect. They were working long hand without the aid of computers so we shouldn't expect perfection.

Comment by Robert Karp on May 14, 2011 at 7:25pm

Not sure about that but he does contradict the heck out of himself on a regular basis:

 

Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?

Yes.

Yes, but disbelievers ...

There is no compulsion in religion. 2:256 Whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. 18:29 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. 109:6

are not loved by Allah. Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32 He loveth not the disbelievers. 30:45 will be tormented forever in hell. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place! 18:29 Whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter. 3:85 will be shunned by believers. Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve ... choose not friends from them. 4:89 Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you? 4:144 Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. ... He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. 5:51 Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve? 60:1 are the enemies of believers. The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 If they ... assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief. ... Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them 9:12-14 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah. 9:29 Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you. 9:123 will be killed by believers. They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve ... take them and kill them wherever ye find them. 4:89 Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5

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