I was thinking, (something I have an uncontrollable propensity to do), about how all religions claim to be peaceful, but all seem to condone murder (with the exception of Janists).  Not only in their religious texts, but also in their literature.  In the Chronicals of Narnia, the first time the children meet Aslan, he teaches them to kill.  And lets not even discuss the "Left Behind" series.  It has been my general experience that when someone tells you how loving, wonderful, and peaceful their religion is; when you reply: "Well, that's fine for you, but for me it's illogical, irrational, unreasonable, and impossible.", they want to kill you.  Is murder an intrinsic principle of religion?  Does belief in god validate murder as an acceptable response to unacceptable situations?  God, after all kills with impunity.    

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Comment by Brandon Cure on July 24, 2011 at 9:44pm

"God kills indiscriminately and so shall we for no creature under him is so much like him as ourselves"- (Lestat) Anne Rice.

   I know what you mean, it seems like if I even start to debate with someone then they get extreamly defensive and want to fight you if you prove them wrong. 

Comment by Nina van der Roos on July 25, 2011 at 9:24am

The funny thing is that religions seems to actually drive people to want to kill people of their own religion often more than those of other religions. I served a spell in iraq when the Koninklijke Landmacht (Dutch army) was first deployed there and one thing I learnt very quickly was that the minor variations within a religion were enough to excuse the most horrific murders but as much as some sunni muslims would love to kill a westerner they would rather kill a shia first every single time, and vice-versa.


As for christians........when your holy books are stuffed full of murder, rape, incest, sexual slavery, human rights abuses, torture, vengeance, smiting and genocide it must rub off on you.


Nice quote there Brandon.

Comment by Arcus on July 25, 2011 at 11:33am

It is virtually impossible for a civilized person to kill anyone except in self defense, to the point where many people are completely unable to "pull the plug" on a loved one which is terminal condition to save them from suffering or even do simple triage in a mass casualty event.

Religion makes killing much easier since it provides an external justification for the act, and those which have been sufficiently brainwashed into it will therefore kill without remorse because of group loyalty.

I haven't seen any stats on confirmed pacifists between religious belonging, but I would assume there is a higher percentage of them among agnostics (in particular) and atheists than religious people. Between religions, monotheistic ones seem to be more violent than polytheistic ones. Within monotheism, Muslims seem to have an easier time finding religious justification for violence that Catholics, and Catholics more than Protestants. This is probably also related to the level of development in the countries, as crime rates are generally lower in higher income countries. On the other hand, the religious background of the population tend to correlate closely with level of economic development, so it's an interplay between a number of underlying causes and feedback effects.

A country is poor so it's more violent so it's more religious, so it gets poorer and more violent and more religious.


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