What is wrong with these people? Is it just the idea that science is making them reconsider their cozy little bubble they've created and which they call Universe? Do these people have an agenda to discredit science in every way possible, or is it just the infatuation to prove the smartest people on Earth that they're plain wrong? I just don't get it.


I've found this site, called RelativityChallenge.com, which tries to reveal to the whole world how Einstein (and every single physicist alive today) was wrong. They even use fancy, scientific words and formulas to appear that they really know what they're doing, but what do you think I found on their first page as proof that there really is a controversy in the scientific community regarding relativity? It's Glenn Borchardt, "PhD" and director of the Progressive Science Institute which deals with "scientific philosophy", but which has a real goal to discredit science, as proven by Borchardt's latest book, "The Scientific Worldview", which, according to his NeWiki (a Wikipedia clone determined "to provide a place for new knowledge to be written and catalogued that is not allowed by other Wiki's who do not publish outside of the mainstream.") page, "outlined ten fundamental, non-provable beliefs that served as the foundation of all scientific investigation".


Borchardt's "challenge" to relativity, as presented on RelativityChallenge.com:
“I never could figure out how rods got shorter simply by travelling [I'm sure it's just a typo... Yep, that's got to be it.] at higher velocities or how time (which doesn’t appear to be a “thing”) could actually dilate. Your Episode #20 was excellent, showing the critical difference between length and rates. So that’s it! Those things don’t really happen.”
Glenn Borchardt, PhD


Wow! That's really something, right? I mean, the guy's got it all figured out: time is not a "thing", so it can't dilate (those space-time continuum guys are really deluded). Of course, the fact that he "never could figure out" how relativity works doesn't make him extremely stupid, as one could assume, but actually means that "those things don't really happen". What a guy... *applauses*.


Of course, there are so many other things to say about science "challengers" and the little game they're playing, called "Let's fool the fools!", but I think it's enough for one day, especially as we aren't dealing with the usual anti-evolutionist, anti-geology, anti-archeology and anti-anything-that-doesn't-agree-with-the-biblical-myth-of-creation propaganda, or even the newer climate change deniers' scientific "knowledge". This is actually an explicit revival of the ancient way of doing science, called "I don't get it, so it must be wrong".


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Comment by Michael R on May 16, 2010 at 9:35am
Wow. This guy has submitted his paper to the NPA (Natural Philosophy Alliance). This group seems to have a real problem with Einstein. I especially like principle #10 which states that "There is not a shred of real evidence in favor of time dilation, as apposed to clock retardation."
Comment by Radu Andreiu on May 16, 2010 at 10:12am
I would ask one of these relativity challengers what would they bet on, regarding accuracy: a GPS satellite which had an internal clock with a second lasting exactly one second, or a GPS satellite whose internal clock would count a second in slightly less than one second. If time didn't dilate, the GPS satellite with the clock counting a second as... well, a second, would have to be more accurate. Given only the time counting variable, I would bet as much money as every single relativity denier had that the satellite whose clock would be set for time dilation, would be the most accurate one. If you do the math, you'll come to the conclusion that the satellite which wasn't set for time dilation would accumulate errors at rate of 10 kilometers, or so, per day.

Who's up for the challenge now?
Comment by Mario Rodgers on May 16, 2010 at 11:25am
Clock retardation? How about mental retardation?
Comment by Mario Rodgers on May 16, 2010 at 11:29am
The trouble with these idiot deniers is they want to sound all scientific, but they never want to do the field tests to post their own findings. Kinda like that Christian on Youtube refuting radiometric dating for the age of the Earth talking nonsense with "You never know. You never know." but she never said she did her own studies and produced her own numbers. Oh yeah. But their precious "Bible" is absolute truth that they can believe in 100% because it's the word of God.
Comment by Bruce Williams on May 17, 2010 at 12:41am
I detect a bit of nonscientific emotional response on this.

The actual problem is just two divisions by two just happens to bring the result back to what he wants it to. The problem with what he wants is that the results do not account for the rotation of the solar system around our galaxies center, which is many times our speed around the sun, and was an original defect in the Michelson Morley experiment. It was never accounted for, but it never showed up either.

This group has however pointed out an interesting fact, Einstein's proof of the theoretically perfect sail propelled by photon's does so without any increase in mass. A strange often missed proof coming from Einstein himself.

I could have swore her science was supposed to be able to be criticized based on facts and open-minded discussion not emotion?
Comment by Radu Andreiu on May 17, 2010 at 11:04am
I'm sorry Bruce, but are you kidding me? What scientific response should one give to "I never could figure out how rods got shorter simply by travelling at higher velocities or how time (which doesn’t appear to be a “thing”) could actually dilate. Your Episode #20 was excellent, showing the critical difference between length and rates. So that’s it! Those things don’t really happen"? This guy is a total nut-job... scientifically speaking. Time isn't a "thing" and he doesn't understand how lengths get shorter and time dilates so these things don't happen. Again: are you kidding me?

Asking to give a scientific response to this is like asking to give a scientific response to those who say "Gee, the chances of such a complex creature to randomly appear are incredibly small, therefore evolution doesn't work".

Regarding the website, I didn't read everything they had to say so maybe they point out some real issues which they picked up from actual scientists, but that doesn't make the site anything less than rubbish.

Stephen Hawking said in an interview, being amused of course, that he receives like 2 or 3 letters a day from people who say that Einstein was wrong. What kind of scientific response do you think he gives them?

So yes, the response is emotional because I have long passed the scientific question "Does time dilate?". I don't know the details like physicists do, but I know a quack when I see one.
Comment by Bruce Williams on May 27, 2010 at 11:16pm
Are you sure that time dilation is not an artifact of our choice of clocks?

After all, if measuring pressure with a bourdan tube frozen with dry ice and then get a higher reading when the bourdan tube is back up to room temperature does not mean that the pressure changed, only that the characteristics of my measuring device changed.

And another point, there are no experiments to determine if rod length changes with relative velocity.

Name dropping - Stephen Hawking. Try Claudius Ptolemy, his theory was accepted for over 1300 years. And the laws of physics do not care in the least, the name or the person that describes them. They are what they are regardless. so just because someone at the present time laughs at those that do not follow the dictates of the present knowledge, does not in any way make that person right. As a matter of fact, it makes them look rather intolerant of the very idea that we should always be challenging our present knowledge. This also does not make them wrong, just someone with a bad attitude.
Comment by Radu Andreiu on May 28, 2010 at 8:27am
Oh, come on! Not another science denier! You're just like those who deny evolution saying that science was proven to be wrong in the past so it is wrong now. That represents a mockery of everything that is logical and reasonable. Of course that science was wrong in the past and it's wrong now about certain things, but that doesn't mean it's wrong about the subject we're discussing.

"Are you sure that time dilation is not an artifact of our choice of clocks?"
Well, physicists seem pretty darn sure about it. On the opposing side are only people who read crap from crappy sites. Gee, this is such a hard decision to make...

You've practically accused me of appeal to authority because I mentioned Stephen Hawking who, BTW, I think knows physics "a little" better than you. What about the incredible majority of physicists that consider relativity to be as real as gravity (with good reason too)? While, this doesn't make it true itself, the fact that you're contradicting people regarding the (very difficult to understand) aspects of their job makes you as good as someone who says that the human heart lies in the right leg, despite the consensus that it's actually in the thoracic cavity.

Furthermore, your clock/Bourdon (not "bourdan") tube analogy clearly shows your religious take on this subject. You're exactly like those who say that artificial complex machines can't come to be through evolution, therefore a complex biological one can't either.

And, FYI, time dilation has been proven in particle accelerators, but I would have never expected you to know this, judging by your scientific knowledge. It's something about mesons and stuff, but I won't bother boring you with things you should have known before holding such convictions.

You know what? I'm sick of trying to explain and defend science to creationists, climate change deniers, relativity deniers, geology deniers or any other kind of science denier that doesn't come with, I don't know... evidence. Just keep reading those sites and books that tell you what is real and what is not, because examining the matter is so much harder, right? These darn sciences... always getting in the way of our cozy beliefs. I just hate it when people say that medics are probably better at medical stuff than some duschbag bloggers who say we have four lungs instead of two. Oh yeah, physicists too.
Comment by Radu Andreiu on May 28, 2010 at 8:27am
"we should always be challenging our present knowledge."
Yeah, experts should... non-experts, not so much, but I don't expect someone like you to understand such a "complicated" matter. As I've said before, just keep "challenging" science and spreading crap, because what would the Internet be without the crap traveling at high speed, from and to every corner of the world? Let's all challenge the present knowledge about the heliocentric theory, evolution, climate change, relativity, quantum mechanics, carbon dating... all the hard stuff we don't understand, but so arrogantly debate against.
Comment by Bruce Williams on May 28, 2010 at 2:10pm
Only Gods are unchallengeable.

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