God is an omniscient being. Having no end and no beginning, from the beginning of time, God has known all. If you know all, there is nothing to be learned. Nothing to be gained from living or experiencing the world or life. This creature knew what was to happen before it did. So what is gained from simply being for 3000 years? Well, if you are God, you have learned that you didn't plan well which would seem to run against the idea of omniscience. The story of Moses clearly points to a God that either didn't care about the eventual course of events, or he was not omniscient or not omnibenevolent.

 

Moses was clearly born to lead the slave Jews to freedom, if you buy the stories of Exodus. God approaches Moses and talks him into approaching the Egyptian Pharaoh with a ridiculous scenario of plagues that lead him to be freed with his Jewish slaves. Nothing in documented history emboldens the story, but the story is nevertheless true because it is written in Biblical accounts. So let's take it all as true and see what happens. Eventually Moses finds himself running from the Pharaoh with tens of thousands of Jews in the desert. These people need to be fed and watered. They need to fulfill the demands to wash at certain times. But they are in a desert, so how do you find enough water to wash?

 

In Deuteronomy 32, we find Moses saying, “If only we had died when our brothers fell dead before the LORD! Why did you bring the LORD’s community into this desert, that we and our livestock should die here? Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates. And there is no water to drink!” He said this before the Israelite community before him. Seems reasonable to be frustrated. 40 years of travelling around and you are without water yet you are supposed to have God on your side. Why isn't he helping you? But this is still a transgression. One that an omniscient being should have been able to foresee. God does not see it this way, but rather he sees it as punishable even though he could have predicted and prevented this response. Eventually Moses and his brother Aaron the Priest return to the tent to seek the advice of the Lord, but it's too late. They have questioned the Lord in front of the Israelites. Death is clearly called for.

 

Deuteronomy 32:51"There on the mountain that you have climbed you will die and be gathered to your people, just as your brother Aaron died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people. This is because both of you broke faith with me in the presence of the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the Desert of Zin and because you did not uphold my holiness among the Israelites. Therefore, you will see the land only from a distance; you will not enter the land I am giving to the people of Israel.” In Deuteronomy 34 we see Moses being shown the land promised to him and his people, but there he dies only to never have his body found. 

 

So quite seriously, the man whom freed God's chosen people, led them through the desert for 40 years creating water by striking stones with a staff, has been deemed unfit for getting into the Promised Land. Why, for a moment of frustration, would an Omni-benevolent creature act in this manner? How can you be ever understanding and all knowing yet not realize that people might feel this way? How can you not understand human nature yet be the creator of it? God felt that he had to punish Moses for a small trip. Sure, some call to Jesus as being different, yet Jesus says that he is only here to fulfill law, not change it. So where is this mysterious change in personality? Aside from the clear admission that God can't know all and care for all no matter what yet feel the need to punish Moses after 40 years of service for the momentary failure, how is it that you feel you can still get to heaven if Moses isn't worthy of experiencing it on Earth? Are you certain that you can qualify better than Moses? If not, why waste the life that you have only to be punished for 5 sentences worth of transgressions? Lose your child and see if you can pass this test. 

 

God is anything but benevolent or all knowing and the Bible itself establishes it. You are left with faith and a void of reason to reach the conclusion that anything other than Hell is imminent. If Moses can't reach it, then why or how would you get there?  

 

 

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Comment by Ava Wilson on March 13, 2011 at 7:22am
I can't call the plagues ridiculous scenerios. They are probably the most historically accurate account of a natural disaster in the Bible. The time that Moses would have existed was during the time of King Ramses. This rule also coincided with the eruption of a volcano near Santorini, a Greek island not too far from the Nile Delta. All of the plagues can be explained by such a volcano (which would have been bigger than Krakatoa). The red water, not blood but iron stirred from the soil during shaking. Fish dying and frogs jumping out, because they can't breathe in oxidized iron filled water. All plagues go on just like that being satisfyingly explained by the events of a single volcano. The Bible takes real historical events and explains them with superstition. Why we even give such witchdoctor accounts of a god any credence to even argue it is beyond me. Scientific analysis of the Bible is the only interesting way to read it, as a non-divine record of kernally-true events.
Comment by idcollapse Ra on March 13, 2011 at 10:29am

The quran too mentions this story , with slight differnces though  !!

I love the way Lewis Black tells it ,  hilarious LOL .

actually , I cannot believe that Ispent all those many years believing in this BS.

 

Comment by Morgan Matthew on March 13, 2011 at 12:27pm

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on March 13, 2011 at 1:21pm
The plague of the first born was usually described as either a bacterial or fungal infection that somehow got into the grain supply.
Being that the first born son was the one to get the largest serving of food at dinner time, but still be relatively young enough to have a less-than-developed immune system, something along those lines could have killed off a very specific demographic.
Comment by Suzana Vuksanovic on March 13, 2011 at 9:02pm

"God is anything but benevolent or all knowing and the Bible itself establishes it."

And yet when you read the New Testament, it's as if God has "evolved" into a altogether more empatheic, undertsanding and (most of all) forgiving being.

Like you said: if God is omniscient, how can he possibly evolve?  Can he tell our future but not his own?

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