I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter if what you're saying makes sense.

Example #1: One evening I was watching Extreme Home Make Over. (I know, bad idea.) An entire city was devastated by a horrible tornado. One part of the show centered around this old woman whose house had been completely demolished but the heart warming part was that God spared her rose garden. Really? That line of thinking seems a little backwards to me. Ok, so God was like, "I need to destroy this town but leave them a shred of hope to cling to so I'll cut this old lady some slack and NOT blow her roses away. They'll appreciate that for sure." It's strange that they seem to think that one thing is not related to the other. They seem to think it was like a battle between the weather and God and the one thing God was able save was a bush. How is it that God is given credit for what he saved from the tornado that he brought? That's weird, right?

This next example has been spinning around my brain for days.

In order to protect the identity of the innocent I will call this person, "Frank"
The conversation went as follows:
Frank: My wife is flying to Texas to be with her brother in the hospital.
Me: Oh no, what's going on?
Frank: Her brother is only 36 and had back surgery but something went wrong and now his internal organs are failing and he might not make it.
Me: That's awful!
Frank: Yea, tonight when I get home I'm gonna get on the phone and start a "Prayer Chain".
Me: *eyes widen, brain explodes*

This conversation reinforced my suspicion that what you say doesn't need to make sense if enough people say it. I'll explain what a prayer chain is for those who aren't familiar with it. One person calls a bunch of people and asks them to pray for something and those people call more people and ask the same and so on.

Alright, here's my beef with the prayer chain. The logic behind it. God is causing this guys internal organs to fail, but if enough people pray for the man God might change his mind and not kill him. It's Gods will to kill or not kill but apparently if we all pray we might sway him. Is it that they don't think God is aware of the situation? Did they forget that according to their line of thought God is the one willing this to happen? Isn't praying questioning Gods infinite wisdom?

What if the entire world prayed all at once to end global warming? What if we all prayed to grow tails? (I would totally do that.)

When I bring these questions up to people who say things like this I get the stink eye and told that I'm just being negative. Huh. I'd never equated logic and negativity before.

Perhaps what they want is to remain blissfully ignorant.

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Tags: chain, free, god, prayer, will

Comment by Cara Coleen on June 7, 2009 at 7:20pm
When I was a Christian, everyone always accused me of being negative... because of my logic and willingness to ask questions and see things for what they are. They're VERY threatened by logic, but they'd never admit it. I'm just sooo happy I'm on this side of it now...
Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on June 10, 2009 at 9:15am
It all goes back to the very basic lesson.
Scary people: "God is so wonderful. He created us and sacrificed to forgive/die for our sins."
Me: "Uhh...why create us sinful in the first place?"
Scary people: "He didn't. He created us perfect. Eve ate of the tree-"
Me: "That he put in the garden.. which he made... and then tossed in a talking snake to tempt her."
Scary people "But he told her not to eat or she'd die-"
Me: "But she didn't die. She got birth pains.. And how can you even threaten a being like that with death. They have nothing to compare it to so they can't know what it is.. and again, why the tree and the snake? Seems like either 1) God got outsmarted by a snake, or 2) Being omnipotent, he knew how things would end, therefor setting Eve up for failure."
Scary people: "Well, you just have to have faith!"
Me: "Well, either you are born with faith or not.. or you pray for faith and god gives it to you. I wasn't born with faith and god hasn't given me any, so either god is false or he wants me to be atheist."
Scary people: "God doesn't want you to be atheist, because he loves you unconditionally and doesn't want you to go to hell. If you don't believe in him, you go to hell."
Me: "An unconditionally loving, omnipotent god can't exist if there is a hell. Either god doesn't exist, in which case it doesn't matter if I believe, or hell doesn't exist, in which case it doesn't matter if I believe, or god isn't omnipotent, in which case it doesn't matter if I believe, or not unconditionally loving, in which case he's sort of a dick. So which is it? Either he's a dick or it doesn't matter if I believe?"
Scary people: "......blasphemy!"
Me: ~sigh~

Fin.
Comment by Erica on June 10, 2009 at 9:29am
Oh my, that was the funniest thing I've heard all day...well, it's only 8:29am...
So true though.
Comment by Atheist Ninja on June 10, 2009 at 9:32am
A funny realization I just made is that polytheist myths, such as Norse, Greek, or native American gods actually make more sense than the one God. They actually have reasons to mess stuff up, with all of their different personalities. Where as God must just be mentally unstable.
Comment by Randy on June 10, 2009 at 10:19pm
Dude, if the world prayer-chained everyone to grow tails, can I have a monkey tail? Or lizard? I really just want a prehensile one. Of course, I would have to put a bunch of pipes around my house so I could have things to hang from.

But, yeah. It's not likely that you'll ever change anyone's mind. The best we can do is sew the seeds of doubt. I maintain the idea that sensible people hold wacky beliefs because they don't know they are allowed to question them. So, give people permission to question their beliefs.
Comment by Erica on June 10, 2009 at 10:28pm
In the prayer-chain rule book I think there's a restriction to what kind of tail you can request god to bestow upon you. If I remember correctly it has to be of the feline variety.
Maybe we can pray and have it changed...
Comment by Randy on June 10, 2009 at 10:54pm
Calling every number in my phone now. This anti-simian injustice cannot stand!

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