Hiya. My name is Ash...
I go to a high school  in the state of Georgia, and I am currently taking AP US History.
I do not say the pledge, and I do not stand.
I do not say it because I know America is not "under God" and I know there is not "liberty and justice for all."
I choose not to stand because I don't want to stand for a country, that I believe, does not stand for me.
I have not stood for the pledge since 8th grade, and I'm currently in 11th. I have never had any problems until now.
I have not stood in my APUSH class all year and my teacher recently just caught me sitting.
He told me to stand.
I said no.
As soon as the pledge was over, he took me out of the class and chewed me out. 
He said that as long as I'm in his class I must stand, that it is illegal to sit, and he was going to get me kicked out of his class.
Obviously, none of that was true. I'm still in the class.
I went to an administrator about the issue and he talked to my teacher. Nothing was done in my favor.
Every morning I must sit outside his classroom door in the hallway until the pledge is over.
I feel very discriminated against. I should not have to sit/stand outside his door. I know this is wrong of him to do and I am very unhappy with it.
This is our only AP teacher.
What should I do?
My mom told me to stand anyway, and my brother called me an idiot.
Don't tell me to just stand, because I'm not going to go against something I believe in just for some school.
Is there anything I could do?

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Tags: atheism, georgia, god, high, pledge, problems, school, under

Comment by _Robert_ on January 13, 2013 at 7:36pm

The Knights of Columbus are the reason for the "under god" part back in the 1950's. Nothing like a secret society hellbent on indoctrination.

Comment by Melvinotis on January 13, 2013 at 8:06pm

Ash, a healthy amount of questioning authority is always in order. You might do well in the current climate by describing the teacher's actions as bullying, because in the end, that is what it is.

Comment by Kairan Nierde on January 13, 2013 at 10:03pm

I hope you realize your teacher is probably going to make you pay for going back in the classroom.  Just be prepared.  Good luck!

Also, I have to question the quality of education this teacher is providing you.  If he thinks his beliefs trump constitutional law in real life, how might he be twisting your lessons to support any of his other views?  You might benefit from independent studies in this case.


Comment by Jimmy Russell on January 14, 2013 at 12:37am

You need to pwn his ass infront of everyone.  Hand him a well made packet of info that lets him know what he is doing is illegal and that you would think his views would better reflect the history he is supposed to be teaching. 

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on January 14, 2013 at 2:52am

Decades ago I stopped saying those two words.

The Bush Administration's war crimes persuaded me to no longer pledge allegiance. They were in the news when, in a meeting, I said I would no longer take part in the opening pledge. I added that I will discuss the issue when the club pledges allegiance to the Constitution.

BTW, most of that club's members are war veterans. No one has given me a problem.

What bothers me most is the damage that repeating the pledge does to the ability to reason.

It can result in a lynch mob mentality. Who benefits from that but America's rulers?

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on January 14, 2013 at 8:32am

Ash, you're my new hero, one of the few, stand tall you have my respect.


Comment by Kris K on January 14, 2013 at 9:15am
If standing during the pledge is what he is requiring of you, go to the administrator and get it in writing that you "standing during the pledge" is what the teacher is demanding. Once you have that, go ahead and stand but face away from the flag. That'll be a nice big FU to that prick of a teacher.
Comment by archaeopteryx on January 14, 2013 at 12:28pm

Ashley, stick to your guns, but tread carefully, don't let your anger and frustration cause you to step over any legal boundries the school could use to legitimately suspend you.

I suggest you follow Gallup's advice and call the FFRF, that's probably the most important thing you can do at the moment.

If further challenged, again, follow Gallup's lead and write down and memorize the following, so you can rattle it off from memory to any authority figure who challenges you:

West Virginia State Bd. of Educ. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.

"We think the actions of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control."

In summary, your First Amemdment Constitutional Rights are being violated.

Finally, schools generally fear lawsuits, they cost money and generate bad publicity. I once had a childhood friend whose daughter was graduating High School, with good grades, but for some minor infraction of the rules, was told by the school that she would not be allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies. I used my best baritone to call the principle, pretend to be an attorney representing her, threatened suit, and by close of business, her dad had received a call from the school, advising him the school had had a change of heart - I winked at her as she walked down the aisle in her cap and gown.

I wouldn't advise you to try a stupid stunt like that (his daughter had nothing to lose, you do), but if you knew a family lawyer, sometimes just a phone call - in this instance, mentioning West Vir. v Barnette - could make all the difference in the world.

Comment by archaeopteryx on January 14, 2013 at 12:37pm

GM - got a new avatar for you, just reduce to size --

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on January 14, 2013 at 1:00pm

GM - got a new avatar for you, just reduce to size --

I prefer the thunderbolt. Thanks anyway Arch.


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