Pew Study Finds Why Your Arguments Don't Work

So before we get really excited about the latest Pew Study that finds atheists/agnostics to have a higher understanding of religious knowledge than...well the religious, I took some time to think about one of the famous quotes by Stephen Roberts.

"When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods
you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Do you see the problem why theists don't get us?

If the theists don't know much in regards to other religions, then they will never understand why they reject that particular brand of religion. So if they don't understand why they reject that particular brand of religion, then it only follows that they wont understand why we dismiss theirs, and ultimately fuels the next generation of youtube videos regarding creationists and apologists.

So it hit me. BAM! why are we continuing to argue and waste precious man hours typing away at trolls, why not give people a religion test, and if they can pass it, then perhaps start the discourse. Or instead of being the hated ones in society, we do more public education on religion? I have always hated being on the defensive when it comes to arguments, but I admit, I have developed more of a backbone when it comes to arguing against creationists/science deniers and it has helped to develop better reasons why I don't believe in Thor.

Why not make a more indirect attack and start educating the public on other religions. This is predicated on the idea that perhaps people will understand other religions, and further help their understanding of why religion was set up in the first place, or help people make an honest attempt at critical thinking. Isn't that ultimately what we want- people who can defend their positions while staying away from reductio/ad hoc/specious arguments?

Please comment.

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Comment by Mario Rodgers on September 29, 2010 at 6:29pm
Our arguments won't work because House already figured out why.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on September 29, 2010 at 6:55pm
Troll huh!..that will definitely get the conversation started. This is what I understand from Atheist. You don't accept God because you think he is mythical. You don't accept God because you believe Science is all you need. You don't accept God because it would place limits on what you believe to be basic human pleasures (like sex outside of marriage). You don't accept God because faith in the unseen sounds ridiculous. I think I can understand that. I don't think i'm much of a troll.
Comment by Velogiraptor on September 29, 2010 at 7:52pm
Trevauhn, we don't accept God because it's an extraordinary claim that requires evidence. Faith is the acceptance of something as fact without any proof or analysis, kinda like senators do when bank executives tell them the system failed because it was overregulated. He didn't call you a troll, he pointed out that we generally end up having our 'conversations' with them and that he feels that it's futile.
Comment by Mario Rodgers on September 29, 2010 at 8:04pm
I have faith in the unseen electromagnetic waves. But darnit. We can actually measure such a thing.
Comment by Mario Rodgers on September 29, 2010 at 8:06pm
Religion doesn't just place limits on basic human pleasures. Secular society often does that as well. Religion places limits on the very core of your being and saps you of your individuality until all you understand is what the group dogma deems "acceptable." And religion devalues existence by claiming that being human is a bad thing.
Comment by Allen Sneed on September 29, 2010 at 8:39pm
I think we should all give a big round of applause to Mr. Grant for helping to show us all why it can be a waste of time having discussions with the faithful.
Comment by Bill on September 29, 2010 at 9:11pm
I agree with the op idea that the best way to make anyone less religion would be to educate them about religioun. It might be productive to create a one stop shopping site for faith. We could call it WikiFaith. It will answer any question you could ever have about faith, but it's deep dark secret would be that the whole thing was managed by the best people in the world to educate on the subject: atheists!
Comment by M on September 29, 2010 at 9:22pm
Question: are any of you atheists because you think a god-belief would limit your sex outside of marriage? Just curious how many of you are out there. Would it be worth mentioning here how often there was sex outside of marriage in the Bible and how one doesn't need to be an atheist to hump-- I mean jump!-- on that bandwagon?
Comment by Jake W. Andrews on September 29, 2010 at 9:33pm
@ Bill



I have a double edged blessing for you! Thank you for drumming your ridiculous comment to drum up more responses, you are the catalyst to my ego. On the other hand, people are going to wonder if you aren't a cleverly disguised pseudonym I created to drum up these responses...I am hoping we all individually rise and yell "No! I'M SPARTACUS", before the admins ban me...

@ Everyone

Comment by Bill on September 29, 2010 at 10:27pm
@M, I'm an atheist and I don't have sex outside of marriage. I did a long time ago, and it was a mistake. This is completely an agreement between me and my wife. I'm a big boy, and I can make decisions for myself, and even feel genuine guilt for making poor choices without the need for an invisible daddy to make me behave.


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