Comment by Frink on July 12, 2009 at 6:51pm

Gee, must be easy going through life without feeling the need to question anything. First, I would tell him to stop reciting crap he heard from his evangelical, brainwashing masters, and to think for himself for a change.

Second, I would educate him on how faith actually works. It's not that you have faith that god doesn't exist, it's that you don't have faith one does.

Finally, I would render his little soundbite response moot by pointing out that your beliefs are based on evidence and reason, not faith. That is, unlike him, you want to see the car before you fork over the money for it.

Comment by Gaytor on July 12, 2009 at 7:18pm

Have you seen the fossil record? How about the geologic? You'll find millions of artifacts refuting God's timeline there.
Or, Revelations 12:4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. 1 third of the stars just in the Milky way are equal to 33 thousand million. Would those 33 thousand million suffice to fill that cup?

Comment by Bee S. on July 12, 2009 at 7:38pm

I replied thusly:

Bianca at 5:20pm July 12
My beliefs are based on evidence and reason, not faith. That is, I want to see the car before I buy it, know what I mean?

Bianca at 5:30pm July 12
Also, It's not that I have faith that god doesn't exist, it's that I don't have faith one does. As a rational person, if evidence existed that proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that god was real, then I could no longer be an atheist.

It doesn't. So I am.

Comment by Serotonin Wraith on July 12, 2009 at 7:49pm

You could go the many gods route. If you have faith their god doesn't exist, they must obviously have faith that the thousands of others don't exist too. If not, neither do you.

Comment by Julie on July 12, 2009 at 9:52pm

I like the comment he says about what is true for God is true for everyone. I find Christians so selfish and oblivious when it comes to global humanity.

My husband made an interesting comment the other day--not everyone in the world is Christian, and some of those who are were not born that way. So if what Christians say is true about God, Jesus, the Rapture, etc, all the people in the world who were unfortunate enough to be born in Africa or the Middle East or Southeast Asia are going to hell? To be born in a place that is not known to be Christian, and you are never brought to a Christian region in your life, never encounter a Christian missionary, etc...you're basically screwed? Is that God's plan then? Some people count, some people don't? Actually that sounds about right from most Christians I've encountered.

Comment by James on July 12, 2009 at 10:52pm

I have to opine that there is just one truth. Things can feel true to people, and it will surely differ from one person to the next. However real these things may feel, they are almost always just opinions or beliefs. At the end of the day, there is just one truth. But I digress... lol :)

That said, I would explain that being and Atheist (when science based), does not require the implementation of faith. Building on a foundation of evidence, throws the need for faith to the wind. Though they are more rare, I feel a solely philosophical Atheist would likely require some faith, boy not most Atheists who focus on evidence. Julie makes a good point as well. Which god's 'truth'?

Comment by Doug Reardon on July 12, 2009 at 11:52pm

What is truth? Are truth and reality the same? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on July 13, 2009 at 5:24am

It seems to me there are only two choices. Either Theism or Atheism. I'm an atheist by default. All gods have failed to prove their existence, thus I don't believe in them. If he (The xtian one) really was a god of grace and love, there would be no hell for me to burn in for all eternity. If he can make up the rules, why make up a hell? Why not love everyone, regardless? If he can't make up the rules and there HAS to be a hell, then he isn't much of a god. Even if he isn't all powerful, why not reveal himself and save the entire world all at once? Either god wants people to suffer, or he isn't god, or our idea of him is incorrect.

Comment by Wassabi on July 13, 2009 at 5:32am

the word "truth" has nothing to do abstract beliefs... it's all opinions...
you can't prove or disprove god therefore it can't be "true". truths are backed by hard indisputable facts- like 2+2=4

besides- if it was fact, it wouldn't be called belief...

Comment by Frink on July 13, 2009 at 3:56pm

@Neal

Ha, good observation. I'll have to pull out the vinyls soon. :D

But you know, it doesn't surprise me that he would cherry-pick song lyrics. You're probably aware of the ways in which they cherry-pick which biblical values to uphold. Must come naturally.

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