this convo ensued after someone belittled my friend for posting a picture of the White House from her vacation and saying it's "Obama's crib" and hoping for 4 more. 

  • Really girl? That man stands for everything that is detestable in the eyes of the Lord! But he will stand in front of Him someday! Surprised to hear you say that... He backs gay marriage and we all know how God feels about that, abortion and we know how God feels about murder... Just surprised I guess cos I thought you had Christian views... Anyway, to each their own. You like who you like. Just was surprised is all... Bash away. My views don't change. god Blessyou... Love ya still!!!!
     
    me -  You are entitled to your views...but god has nothing to do with our government
     
  • her ‎"God rules this world. It is the duty of nations as well as men to owe their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow... and to recognize the sublime truths that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord." - Abraham Lincoln This nation has gone to crap because we have turned our backs in God............ He will and is judging us and believe things will only get worse . Read the ten commandments! HE NEVER INTENDED FOR US TO LIVE LIKE FOOLS LIKE THIS. Those words were spoken by Gods mouth and written in stone!!!!!!!!!!!
  • me ‎"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" - President John Adams. President Obama supports equal rights for ALL Americans. He supports the WOMEN of America. Talk about not loving your neighbor...or did you skip that part?
     
  • her-  ‎2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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  • her still - If president Obama stands up for the rights of women, why did he not speak out against the democrats voting down a ban on sex selection abortions. What could possibly hurt women more than denying their very existence!? Furthermore, if I hear that moronic argument about loving your neighbor with respect to homosexuality again, I'll puke. Condemning sin has nothing to do with loving or not loving your neighbor. Besides, how much are you loving your neighbor by supporting a man for president whose policies are preventing your neighbor from getting a job? The Bible clearly identifies it as a sin just as it identifies promiscuity, drunkenness, etc as sins. I'm not sure what is more moronic, the misuse of the "love your neighbor" argument or the misuse of article 11 from the treaty of tripoli. You, as most unread people do, are taking article 11 completely out of context. It was meant to allay fears by the Muslims that Christianity would not govern how THAT treaty was interpreted. Make no mistake about it, this country WAS indeed founded upon the Christian principles that guided the founding fathers.

    me -  I'm unread? You're using a mythical book as argument for fact. Our founding fathers were Diests, meaning they believed in a creator god, like most Americans at that time, but did NOT believe he had anything to do with our daily lives. Aside - Do you eat lobster? Pork? Both are "abominations" in the eyes of your lord, same as homosexuality.
  • Read more into the sex selective abortion ban, and you'll understand why he did not speak out.

  • another friend -  Just a little tip...the bible doesn't mean anything to ALOT of people in the world...if you want religion to rule your daily life then move to Iran...other wise have fun with your right to cherry pick the holy book or choice! Good day sir!
  • me - Yup, I'm done with this. I came here to defend one of my best friends when you decided to belittle her for supporting our current president. If you'd like to continue calling me a moron, or if you're actually interested in a spirited debate, feel free to message me. Otherwise, (friend), have a terrific vacation and I can't wait to see you when you get back.
    her -  
  • Um, 85% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. So I would submit that the book means more to a lot more people than not. As far as it being a mythical book...I'm not even sure how that's even possible. I assure you the book exists. I have several copies myself. Now, if you were a read person as you claim, I would assume you meant, "book of mythology.". However your sub-par intelligence betrayed you again. 

    Now with respect to your cherry picking, I would suggest you read a little bit about theology. Rest assurred. I dont suggest this to convert you, but so you don't appear so...well...dumb. There is a very cojent explanation why Christians don't live by the law of the old testament you so poorly referenced. 

    Obama didn't speak out on the abortion issue because he is similar to the excrement of a certain barn yard fowl. Females are being murdered around the world, and he doesn't have the minerals to stand up for women in a true sense.
    me - 
  • Name calling is super classy. 64% of the WORLD does not identify as Christian, and Christians like you are undoubtedly adding to that majority in droves. Instead of attacking word choice, etc...answer to the facts stated. Obama didn't speak about the abortion issue because he believes in women's bodily autonomy and knows that our value isn't just in our reproductive organs. Its classic GOP water-muddying and he didn't fall for it. Again, I invite you to move this conversation to a more private venue if you wish to discuss, let's stop polluting (friend's) picture and taking away from her good time.
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    her  - Hmm! I don't believe I called you any names. Yes! I just re-read my post. After being awed by how badly outmatched you are by my intelligence, I came to the ultimate conclusion that I did not call you any names. 

    Interesting. The GOP is muddying the water, yet the democrats refuse to stand up against something that hurts women! Do you understand this: women are being murdered for being women! What autonomy does a dead woman have over her own body!? Please tell me how that is muddying the water? 

    Also, I wrote "of Americans.". If you were well read you would have read that well! Also, you misused the stat you googled. At least 35% of the world identifies themselves as X-ian. Said another way, Christianity is the largest religion in the world. So, let's see. What am I dancing around? I'd be happy to impart more knowledge to you.
     Oh, and nothing pollutes the picture more than its attachment to Obama.
     
  • me - Again, I invite you to a private conversation if you wish to continue this ridiculous argument.
     
     
    I was content to let this die out...but I need help to DESTROY her

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Comment by kris feenstra on June 1, 2012 at 4:50pm

Even if we take the 85% figure at face value, that 85% doesn't universally agree on what their god wants.  Even if they did, fifteen percent of the American population isn't some handful of unfortunate souls; it's forty-five million people.  Why should forty-five million people be overlooked just to pander to a majority that cannot voice it's concerns in objective terms?

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