Why so obscure?
Why so full of doubt?
I thought your intellect would have brought clarity.
I thought your knowledge would erase all doubt.

But now I see it all so clearly.
That your obscurity comes from futility.
Futility of intellect
Futility of knowledge

In the end there is only confusion.
When one knows not what to believe
He stands the risk of believing anything
Even if it is obscurity

Thank you for reading. This poem (I don't usually write poems) was influenced by the comments left on the blog post: Are all humans bisexual? I saw some of the ruthless battles in the comments and I came to the solid conclusion: "no one knows what to believe." There are some smart people on this site. I had to look up some of the big words they were using. Yet, all that knowledge and intellect could not answer one simple question. Ladies and gentlemen we need faith. Yes I am a Christian.

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Comment by James on October 3, 2010 at 11:02pm
@James, well give to my church. I promise that is not something we do. We give our own money and feed the neighborhood and pretty much anyone who requests it.

That's OK. I'd still trust my donations to those who I feel will do the most good with it. Do you give donations to mosques so they can help if different areas? I have my reasons for donating to secular organizations, just as you have your reasons. But we both give. Shouldn't that be the concern and not that we should give to church A or church B?

However, there is no justification or evidence to show that to be the truth beyond the shadow of a doubt. Actually, the very defining moment of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The fact of his resurrection has never been a point of argument because there is overwhelming evidence, both Christian and secular which proves his resurrection. Now if Christ is raised from the dead, then he must be everything he claimed himself to be. N.T. Wright's book on The Resurrection and the Son of God (almost 800 pages) goes into much detail. So the truth is Jesus is the Son of God, He died on the Cross, and he raised up from the dead. Bottom Line!!

*atomic face palm*

Seriously? You seriously think that there is anything even close to a consensus that Jesus was resurrected or even existed? Am I on candid camera?

Sorry, but no. There is no such consensus. What evidence are you claiming proves any of this. To tell you the truth, I have never hear a single piece of evidence to prove Jesus rising from the dead. If there was, don't you think I would believe a divine Jesus is real? However, no such evidence exists, so I don't. Please do enlighten us to this so called evidence.


Why is the world cruel and unfair is what I'm attempting to get to. Why?


Have you ever heard the quote that "they why question is a silly question"? You are trying to assign a purpose to everything, as if it has to have one. The world and everything in it is in competition for the resources before it. The gazelle must be fast to escape the cheetah. The cheetah must be fast to catch the gazelle. To live the gazelle must escape, but the cheetah has to live as well. Thus it also needs to catch the gazelle. In a way it's sort of like the free market in business. many individuals vying for survival, power, to be prosperous, etc. That's pretty much the best answer I can give you. If you're looking for some sort of 'we're being tested' or some mystical explanation, I suggest you look outside your comfort zone. What you may find could surprise you.

There is a motivation inside each one of us to do something bad. You might say murder is bad. But if someone murders your child, it might not seem like a bad idea for you to return the favor. We are all prone to do bad. The problem why the world is so bad is sin. I know i'm harping on this all day. But it's the truth. Sin lingers in the heart of man. And we need a Savior, someone who stands outside of sin. Jesus the Son of God is the only one who still remains sinless. And he is our only help.

You can say sin if you like. But that is only an idea constructed by man to categorize. Why would someone do such things? Why are wolfs wild and many dogs tame? Why are some dogs more tame than others? Some has to do with genetics, some upbringing as well. Some may kill for greed or revenge. Why would they do this and why would many want revenge? First, we come from ancestors who really lived a kill or be killed life at times. It's not impossible that that instinct could somehow he triggered in certain individuals. Just like a house cat. We have kittens that were born in our house and stay inside. Yet as they grow they see a bird outside and know that it's something to go after, they hunt moths and other things that get inside. Though they were never tought this in the wild as a means to survive, they still grew into knowing these practices. Also, we are a species full of emotions. Wrong us and we will have an emotional reaction.


I am glad you love your wife...I do too. We share something in common James. To tell you the truth, that is one of the reasons I believe God instituted marriage. So that we wouldn't run wild sleeping with everyone.

I'm glad you love your wife as well. But I must remind you that marriage is not inherently Christian and predates Christianity and even your God by some time. Also, the Bible is full of loose sexual relations (for men). Rape of captured women, concubines, etc, etc. Sure the picture modern churches paint on relations is much better, but they aren't rooted in the churches 'history'.
Comment by M on October 4, 2010 at 1:57pm
So, I can have faith in anything? It doesn't have to be Jesus, as long as its faith? I do have faith, yet I'm still an atheist. The things I have faith in tend to have factual backgrounds or probable outcomes that I (or others) can work hard at achieving. (And not to be snotty, but last time I checked, Jesus is still dead.)
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 4, 2010 at 2:02pm
@James I have never hear a single piece of evidence to prove Jesus rising from the dead. Well I'm sorry sir that you are not up on your research. I guess you can google it or something.

You are trying to assign a purpose to everything, as if it has to have one. Your very basic atomic structure has a purpose, your cells have a purpose. Your arms have a purpose and so do your legs. And if you loose either one, you'll recognize the importance of their purpose right away. Just loose a thumb and the purpose of that thumb will become shockingly apparent.

Animals do what they do by instinct. Humans on the other hand have self awareness. So when we pursue, it can be either ambicious or greedy. One is good and the other is sin.

It's not impossible that that instinct could somehow he triggered in certain individuals. James, we are not animals. We are humans. We have self awareness. We know what love is. We develop relationships. We feel broken hearted when the relationship is broken. Animals don't even mourn the death of their own young. We are nothing like them. We far surpass them. We see beauty and we experience happiness. So when a mother sells her 2 year old into sex slavery, please don't give me the bull about instinct. That is sin. And the man who takes advantage of that child unto death is evil. Stop trying to pretty it up James, please. (James #2, this is what I was talking about as the dangers of naturalism). A spade is a spade. The reason why child sex slavery feels bad in the bottom of our stomachs is because it is bad. Its evil.

@James2 I have a feeling i'm being drawn into a trap here. But I would say the original sin is DISOBEDIENCE.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 4, 2010 at 2:13pm
@Fred Yes, I do love you Fred. Unfortunately love carries the burden of possibly getting your heart broken. Because often when that love is not returned it is quite difficult to deal with. And God loves you too Fred. You know why, because if only you believe and have faith in him he will give you life. Which is something Amida is unable to do. Because the thing is, Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. He was the one who suffered and died. He was the one who addressed our disease of sin.

@Kris but how convinced do you think anyone here is going to be it doesn't really bother me if the first 500 people care nothing for what I am saying. But if there is one who is atleast curious to follow Jesus Christ and try him, then all this typing is worth it.
Comment by kris feenstra on October 4, 2010 at 2:38pm
But if there is one who is atleast curious to follow Jesus Christ and try him, then all this typing is worth it.

Is there a money-back guarantee if I'm not 100% satisfied with Jesus?
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 4, 2010 at 3:53pm
@James wait a minute now....finish the law? To fulfill something is completely different. Jesus said that not one jot will be passed away. God's words are eternal, they don't finish. Jesus did not come to abolish the law...please don't get it wrong, because that means a whole lot in the scheme of things.

In Psalm 51 David recognized his sin as being from birth. God also says that if his people are disobedient in following his law, their sins will revisit them to the third and forth generation. Third and fourth generation doesn't just mean third and fourth. What God was warning is, if the sin and disobedience to the law isn't handled properly, the sin will propogate in the generations to come. So you will find, if grand daddy had a problem with drinking, if it isn't taken care of by way of a Redeemer, that problem will pass down to his kids and eventually to you. then you will pass it on and so.

On the other hand, taking care of the sin in our lives is a personal responsibility. We cannot hold grandad accountable. The sin of Adam made us succeptable. God warned Cain saying, sin is at your door waiting. Jesus said to Peter, the devil wants to sift you like wheat, but i've prayed that your faith fail not. God has been trying to help us from the very beginning, because he wants us to get back to him. But God also opperates according to justice. And because Adam sinned justice must run its full course. Low and behold, Jesus came about and he took on the price that justice demanded. What a great sacrifice.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 4, 2010 at 4:04pm
@Kris money back? Salvation is free, it has always been free? If you have faith in Jesus and die tomorrow, only to find out there is no God then you would have lost nothing. If you die an atheist and you find out there is a God, you're stuck and there is no going back. Let's just say, I find it better to play it safe.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 4, 2010 at 4:06pm
@Adriana we're quite sharp arn't we. lol
Comment by kris feenstra on October 4, 2010 at 4:30pm
If you have faith in Jesus and die tomorrow, only to find out there is no God then you would have lost nothing.

Except my integrity, intellectual honesty, and my Sunday mornings.

If you die an atheist and you find out there is a God, you're stuck and there is no going back. Let's just say, I find it better to play it safe.

You aren't actually playing safe. You are hedging your bet on faulty assumptions. The first assumption is that you are appealing correct god in the correct way. You have no more compelling evidence than any other religion does.

However, let's assume that you have the correct god; you still have no logical reason to assume that your god is playing it straight with you. It is clearly within the means of your god to deceive you on any level. The question is, what would motivate your god to deceive you? Well, that's the crux of the Christian god -- it was created completely beyond mortal comprehension.

It is impossible, as in under no circumstances possible, to comprehend the motives of such a deity, and with His unlimited power and potential, all scenarios must be held equally possible. This include an infinite number of possible situations in which accepting Jesus still counts for precisely nothing, as well as an infinite number of possibilities in which following the Bible actively works against you. There are no logical means to place limitations on your god's actions and motives. You have no way of knowing if your devotion will get you that Cracker Jack prize, or if, for example, Christian amorality was given as a test of character; those who obey will be condemned for lack of moral fibre, and those that persisted in reason will be rewarded for their perseverance.

But then what does it really matter? Convictions predicated on mere obedience or the promise of rewards are pretty meaningless.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 4, 2010 at 4:42pm
@Kris how do you know my assumptions and faith is faulty? Do you know all things?

Actually, it isn't within his means. God himself saves that if he doesn't live up to his word then he will step down off his throne.

Kris, God made his motives clear when he sent his Son. He has made his motives clear in the Bible. He loves us. That's the bottom line. He loves. The Apostle Johns says, God is Love. It is not just something he does, loves is what he is. That is why he created free moral agents called humans. He wants us to share in his love. So even when I come on thinkatheist.com and get no love, I can still go and pray to the Lord (no special prayer needed) and receive love. I don't even have to pray at times and his love just shows up and comforts. You have no idea what a wonderful thing that is. Especially when no one else is on your side and you're left alienated. God is love and he loves us.

And you are correct, there are no logical means to place on my God's love. He loves and it just doesn't make any logical sense. but who am I to complain.

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