Why so obscure?
Why so full of doubt?
I thought your intellect would have brought clarity.
I thought your knowledge would erase all doubt.

But now I see it all so clearly.
That your obscurity comes from futility.
Futility of intellect
Futility of knowledge

In the end there is only confusion.
When one knows not what to believe
He stands the risk of believing anything
Even if it is obscurity

Thank you for reading. This poem (I don't usually write poems) was influenced by the comments left on the blog post: Are all humans bisexual? I saw some of the ruthless battles in the comments and I came to the solid conclusion: "no one knows what to believe." There are some smart people on this site. I had to look up some of the big words they were using. Yet, all that knowledge and intellect could not answer one simple question. Ladies and gentlemen we need faith. Yes I am a Christian.

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Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 1, 2010 at 6:35am
@Bill how do you know that there is no divine intervention. Are you implying that you know all things and are hence able to speak on behalf of the entire human race.

@James why don't you give money to the church? Help us feed the poor. Do you think I am naive enough to think that a naturalistic scientist is test and attempt to prove creationism. Come On!! And see the thing is James, when something is true, it doesn't change. Hence I'm not arguing relationship with Jesus, I am simply stating a truth. It sounds smug, I'm not trying to be, but that is just the matter of the fact.

@Malcolm well sure Christians don't know everything, but Atheists are the ones who are always poking at Christians for us to answer all the questions. Why is there evil in the world? Why didn't God stop the flood? Why doesn't God stop the killing? Well have you asked yourselves those same questions? Why is there killing in this world? Maybe that should be a highlight of a discussion and see what infantile answer you can come up with. Maybe something like..it's in our DNA or something like that. Even though scientists can make no distinction between a killers DNA and a regular family man's DNA.

-Gandi layed naked in bed with a few beautiful women and refused to sleep with them as a measure of his strength. Your strength as a man doesn't come from seeing how many women you can get in bed. On the contrary, your true strength is defined by your restraint.

@Radu I am sorry sir, I misunderstood you. I really do apologize. My problem is Radu, we are ignoring the unseen elements of humanity. I agree that our natural bodies help us to interact with the world, but what is it that causes us to love? What is it that causes us to appreciate the beauty of a flower and music? I propose that there is an unseen soul/spirit. It is that which separates us from the animals.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 1, 2010 at 6:48am
sorry for the grammatical errors...I wrote this in a rush.
@Kris I know in whom I believe. I believe that Jesus Christ is able to do what is meaningful for this world. And that is the reason I am here. Jesus Christ answers the problem of sin, with his death on the cross. Sin is the true problem here, not research, not misunderstandings, or any such thing. Everyone here battles to keep that sin because sin feels good. But sin brings death. But the bible says that Jesus comes that we might have life and have it more abundantly. Above knowledge and above science, I pray that you will have life and have it in full.

@M honestly M, that is totally possible. If you love cookies then you will put your faith in them to satisfy that special craving. @Mario the same can be said about cheese.

Thank you guys for your comments. I hope I didn't sound too brash. Some of the harsh talk is intention, because I'm hoping to rattle the cage a bit. But I hope to never disrespect you as a person. Thank you again. God Bless. I'm gonna look at some discussions and put in my two cents. Please don't hurt me in the process. :)
Comment by kris feenstra on October 1, 2010 at 2:34pm
Everyone here battles to keep that sin because sin feels good. But sin brings death. But the bible says that Jesus comes that we might have life and have it more abundantly. Above knowledge and above science, I pray that you will have life and have it in full.

I'm not sure who 'everyone here' entails, but sin is an irrelevant factor for me -- I don't agree with the concept. Also, 'feels good' is a gross oversimplification of my motives. I can't speak for anyone else on that front.

Science has gone a lot further in allowing me to live a long, fulfilling life than any prayer ever has. Even if that weren't true, having life and having it in full, even eternally, is not what motivates my beliefs.
Comment by James on October 1, 2010 at 9:41pm
@James why don't you give money to the church? Help us feed the poor. Do you think I am naive enough to think that a naturalistic scientist is test and attempt to prove creationism. Come On!! And see the thing is James, when something is true, it doesn't change. Hence I'm not arguing relationship with Jesus, I am simply stating a truth. It sounds smug, I'm not trying to be, but that is just the matter of the fact.

Why would I give money to a church to feed the poor? I'd rather donate to organizations that I feel are more efficient and won't discriminate. Myself and other members have run up across church charities that only help their group, not everyone. One example was a church toy drive that only gives the donations to those of the same denomination. I have nothing against charity, and am a donor. But, simply giving isn't good enough to me. I want what I give to do the most good possible.

Pardon? I assume you're asserting there is a scientific conspiracy... Lets remember that there ARE religious scientists. They would be very interested in proving Biblical creation if possible. Secondly, one needs not be a career scientist to make claims, do research, and search for the truth. I am in no ways a scientist, but use the scientific method if I feel the need to test a claim.

True, the truth never changes. But one can think they know the truth for a long time and find that all along they were mistaken. I felt I knew God was real and true. But I later found that I held unwarranted and unlikely beliefs. People thought they KNEW Zeus was the cause of lightning, they KNEW the Earth was flat, they KNEW the sun circled the Earth, etc, etc... You think you know the truth, as I once did. However, there is no justification or evidence to show that to be the truth beyond the shadow of a doubt. I admit that I don't know for certain that there is no God, but I feel that the existence of said deity is very very unlikely. Sadly, most believers won't admit to even a 1% chance that they may be mistaken.

@Malcolm well sure Christians don't know everything, but Atheists are the ones who are always poking at Christians for us to answer all the questions. Why is there evil in the world? Why didn't God stop the flood? Why doesn't God stop the killing? Well have you asked yourselves those same questions? Why is there killing in this world? Maybe that should be a highlight of a discussion and see what infantile answer you can come up with. Maybe something like..it's in our DNA or something like that. Even though scientists can make no distinction between a killers DNA and a regular family man's DNA.

I'm sure you'll see that these questions are posed to show the holes in the 'all loving merciful God' claim. It's a simple debating practice. Ask questions that are contrary to the claimed properties of whatever is in question. Let's say you come up to me with an ice cream cone. I ask you what flavor it is and you reply that it's strawberry. However I find issue with your claim when I see the ice cream. So I ask why your ice cream is green if it's strawberry? Surely it should be red? You state, nope, strawberry. I as if I can taste it and you say I'll just have to trust you. I remind you that you aren't feeling well and had stated that 'everything was tasting funny'. Still you stand firm. True this is a silly example, but any one of us really can be mistaken when it comes to anything. We're only human.

As for actual answers... Bad things happen because it really is a cruel unfair world out there. Good things happen and bad things happen. It's the way things work. The world doesn't revolve around us, so we shouldn't expect a dream land life. Evil... There are bad people just as there are good people. They may be that way out of personal gain, revenge, mental disorder, etc, etc.

As for a good man being decipherable from a bad man; DNA isn't everything. Sure DNA can be a factor, but surroundings and upbringing do as well. If you or I were brought up in polar opposites of the area we were brought up in, there is a very good chance that we may not be the same people we are today. Also, it doesn't get any closer than identical twins, yet twins separated at birth can have very different personalities.


-Gandi layed naked in bed with a few beautiful women and refused to sleep with them as a measure of his strength. Your strength as a man doesn't come from seeing how many women you can get in bed. On the contrary, your true strength is defined by your restraint.


So.... The fact that I have only ever slept with my wife gets the stamp of approval then? Sure we made love prior to marriage, but I will tell you freely that I want none other than my wonderful wife. If I die having slept with no one other than her, I will not feel the slightest regret.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 2, 2010 at 7:35pm
@Fred I'm not sure what you're attempting to say. And I don't think you addressed the crux of what i said. The problem with this world is not suffering. Nope it's not. The problem in this world is sin. Though Amida was quite noble in giving his life for suffering, it really didn't address the problem, he simply addressed the symptom. Jesus is the only one who pin points the problem and stomps it out. What's the problem with many of our world leaders: corruption and sin. What about our politicians: pride, self serving, corruption, lust, and more sin (talking about the prostitution rings). What's the problem with our religious leaders; sin. Religious leaders end up in scandals because they have allowed sin to rule their lives. Jesus' death on the cross is the single most powerfully event in world history to address this problem.

@Kris Sin is one factor that cannot be ruled out. It is the one thing we are all prone to. We have a weakness to sin. That is the reason we feel guilt when we do something wrong. Guilt is that very thing God built inside all of us to recognize that wrong we do. Of course, if you sin enough you can eventually quite that voice of guilt. If you quiet that voice, then how will you know right from wrong?

@Fred But Fred how does your words help me. How does your message improve my life. Can your words give me life? Can knowledge save me if someone has a gun to my head? Can science bring peace to this world. The bible address and answer all these things. Science/naturalism simply doesn't have the means to answer these pertinent issues. For example, who would science help our Politicians to become better politicians. The problem isn't all economical or even good leadership skills, but it's the corruption and greed in the hearts of many of those politicians (picking on politicians, because they are just so fun!).
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 2, 2010 at 8:04pm
@James, well give to my church. I promise that is not something we do. We give our own money and feed the neighborhood and pretty much anyone who requests it.

Secondly, one needs not be a career scientist to make claims, do research, and search for the truth.
Alright, point understood and well taken.

However, there is no justification or evidence to show that to be the truth beyond the shadow of a doubt. Actually, the very defining moment of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The fact of his resurrection has never been a point of argument because there is overwhelming evidence, both Christian and secular which proves his resurrection. Now if Christ is raised from the dead, then he must be everything he claimed himself to be. N.T. Wright's book on The Resurrection and the Son of God (almost 800 pages) goes into much detail. So the truth is Jesus is the Son of God, He died on the Cross, and he raised up from the dead. Bottom Line!!

As for actual answers... Bad things happen because it really is a cruel unfair world out there. Good things happen and bad things happen. It's the way things work. The world doesn't revolve around us, so we shouldn't expect a dream land life. Evil... There are bad people just as there are good people. They may be that way out of personal gain, revenge, mental disorder, etc, etc Why is the world cruel and unfair is what I'm attempting to get to. Why? There is a motivation inside each one of us to do something bad. You might say murder is bad. But if someone murders your child, it might not seem like a bad idea for you to return the favor. We are all prone to do bad. The problem why the world is so bad is sin. I know i'm harping on this all day. But it's the truth. Sin lingers in the heart of man. And we need a Savior, someone who stands outside of sin. Jesus the Son of God is the only one who still remains sinless. And he is our only help.

I only brought up the DNA thing because that is an argument Richard Dawkins uses.

I am glad you love your wife...I do too. We share something in common James. To tell you the truth, that is one of the reasons I believe God instituted marriage. So that we wouldn't run wild sleeping with everyone. For forget who start this but: there is a story in history of a man who started a freedom religion (something like that, I don't remember all the facts). Where everyone in that religion could sleep with any other man's wife. Everyone was free to sleep with whomever they pleased. But the problem arose that some people fell in love and then didn't want to sex the neighbor anymore. But the neighbor wanted some loving. And there were huge fights that began to break out. And the entire colony broke apart. Very funny story in history. I love marriage. Truly a gift from God. ehehehe :)
Comment by Mario Rodgers on October 2, 2010 at 8:15pm
Can science bring peace to this world. The bible address and answer all these things.

Holy shit dude! First of all, you've got science all wrong. Science is neutral. It only seeks to find answers. TESTABLE answers. To the physical universe. It is neither good nor evil. It simply is.

Second of all. I call bullshit on that Bible explanation. The Bible is full of war and violence, and you know it. If we're ever to achieve peace, it starts with US, with our minds and our hands. And we can start by ditching all these barbaric bronze age rules and nonsense imaginary friends that people seem so willing to kill each other over.

The problem in this world is sin

Invent the disease. Offer the cure. The perfect scam. That's religion.
Comment by Mario Rodgers on October 2, 2010 at 8:18pm
Another thing? Why the Bible? I guess everybody else's writings and books about morality subjects are wrong?

Comment by Mario Rodgers on October 2, 2010 at 8:19pm
Highlighting the tunnel vision of Christian thinking is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's really too easy.
Comment by kris feenstra on October 2, 2010 at 8:20pm
Guilt is that very thing God built inside all of us to recognize that wrong we do.

According to this other book I read, if I can roll a 16 or higher on a d20, I can convince God to rescind judgement on sin negating the need for guilt. I should mention that I have the Helm of Piety equipped which gives me a +1 in this situation (and +2 CHR!!!).

Honestly, do you remember the name of this site? I respect your right to believe what you want to believe, really, I do, but how convinced do you think anyone here is going to be by make-believe morality? I call it 'make-believe morality' not to belittle your belief, but rather to show you what that belief looks like from my philosophical perspective. So to reiterate my original point, I am not fighting to keep sin. I am not fighting to keep anything on the mere basis of how good it feels. Speak for yourself, not for 'everyone here'.

I deny your God's moral authority regardless of whether or not he is real. He sets a horrible example on how to behave. If he doesn't like that, then let him revoke my free will right now else he should cast me straight to the depths of hell.

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