Why so obscure?
Why so full of doubt?
I thought your intellect would have brought clarity.
I thought your knowledge would erase all doubt.

But now I see it all so clearly.
That your obscurity comes from futility.
Futility of intellect
Futility of knowledge

In the end there is only confusion.
When one knows not what to believe
He stands the risk of believing anything
Even if it is obscurity

Thank you for reading. This poem (I don't usually write poems) was influenced by the comments left on the blog post: Are all humans bisexual? I saw some of the ruthless battles in the comments and I came to the solid conclusion: "no one knows what to believe." There are some smart people on this site. I had to look up some of the big words they were using. Yet, all that knowledge and intellect could not answer one simple question. Ladies and gentlemen we need faith. Yes I am a Christian.

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Comment by Trevauhn Grant on September 29, 2010 at 6:47pm
@Mario I'm not smug, I'm confident. I am confident in the Bible and the God I serve. I am confident in Jesus Christ. I am a big screw up, but Jesus makes me look good. No matter what you say. The bible says: I am fearfully and wonderfully made. :) that just puts a smile on my face.
Comment by Eoganacht on September 29, 2010 at 8:33pm
Why do we need faith? Saying we need food can be answered by stating the Law of Conservation of Energy and stating that the chemical energy in the food is needed by our cells to metablize and respriate. We can give evidence about what happens to a person without food and we can explain why this happens. We can explain this.
Can you?
What do we need faith in? Our schooling system? Our governments? Our leaders? Our researchers? Our doctors? Our families? Our friends? Ourselves?
Hammering Thor?
Please define what you are preaching. You said that you are a xian. What kind? Are you hinting that we need faith in an xian god? Which one? Mary, jesus, yahweh, holyghost, the other saints and any other angels?

Ladies and gentlemen, we need more information.
Comment by M on September 29, 2010 at 9:00pm
Faith in what? I really love a good cookie. I will have faith in cookies.
Comment by Mario Rodgers on September 29, 2010 at 9:13pm
The only food with REAL power is cheese! :D
Comment by Bill on September 29, 2010 at 10:50pm
@Trevauhn, This idea that humans, left to their own abilities will fail is an old argument. However, we have succeeded in populating the entire planet without a trace of divine intervention. Show me where faith has solved anything? If you look at it carefully, you will realize that it is humans, left to their own wits and skills who have solved anything which has ever been solved at all.
Comment by James on September 29, 2010 at 11:30pm
Trevauhn, You state that our intellect and knowledge have gotten us nowhere. That we are still somehow lacking. I'm not aware of anything that may have been sparked in a different discussion, but I can comment on what I believe may be a central problem for you. You probably feel that just be cause we may not know the answer to something means that we are lacking or just guessing. However, that is very far from the case. OK, no one knows for sure how life initially started on Earth. We do have a few ideas that have a good bit of promise and we do know that evolution took over from there, but as of yet we don't know for sure what the answer is. Meanwhile, religions stand by and claim an answer that is not supported by any evidence. But isn't admitting that we don't know for certain yet the more intellectually honest answer? It certainty isn't claiming something as unwavering fact without the slightest shard of evidence.

In fact, if you're so sure in your beliefs. Allow the research to continue or even donate toward it. Science seeks the truth, no matter where the evidence leads. Some Christians like to think that there is some wide conspiracy against their religion, but it would actually be in a scientists interest if they proved Biblical creation as true. Anyone who could prove that would have instant fame and fortune, not to mention a Nobel Prize.

The problem is not the research. I can show you research upon research, but until you come into relationship with Jesus Christ, you're just not going to see what i'm talking about.

I'm surprised that people still use this argument because many of us belonged to a religion before we became Atheists. I myself was born to Catholic parents and for much of my youth was a true believer. Went to CCD, prayed, etc... I was as much a Catholic as anyone else at our church. However something was gradually happening. You see, I was always an academic in school and loved learning. But the more I learned, I started to have questions about my faith and the teachings. So I hit the Bible to find out where I was getting mixed up. I wanted to believe and felt that the problem was me, not the teachings. Trouble was, I did the worst thing I could have done if I wanted to preserve faith... I read the Bible, and not just the normal readings they give in church. What I found opened my eyes and showed me just how little I knew about what I thought I knew. Knowledge really is power. One simply has to not be afraid of a little leg work and the possibility that they may be wrong. I know I don't know everything, and that no one else does either. I simply choose to go wherever logic and the evidence lead me, no matter what.

Sex between a man and a woman is literally the giving of one's heart, soul, and body to the person you love. Sex was actually meant to connect two people, making them one. Hence, the husband and wife would have sex right after marriage to solidify their union.

In my opinion, sex is about love first and foremost. I make love to my wife because of the very special feeling we have for one another. I see no reason two members of the same sex can't share those same feelings and their own personal moment together. We're all the same deep down inside and share the same emotions. I don't feel a gay couple is any less human that my wife and I are. We just do it different.

I do thank you for bringing a mix of opinions to the site and hope this discourse will remain civil and intellectual.
Comment by Malcolm on September 30, 2010 at 9:52am
Sure atheists don't know the answer to everything, any more than Xians do. After all, last time I checked the Bible and Koran don't, for example, indicate whether the Riemann Hypothesis is true. One major difference between atheists and theists, though, is that we don't pretend to have all the answers, but instead we try to find them, not being satisfied with pat explanations that don't withstand even the slightest scrutiny.

But you'll find, if you ever outgrow your infantile beliefs, that you will have eliminated those nagging feelings of doubt and insecurity that dog you. No more worrying about whether you're going to hell when you masturbate, or have sex with your girlfriend, or fantasize about sucking another guy's cock. No more having to suppress your intellect's instinctive rejection of notions such as the idea that people come back from dead, can born from a virgin, or can be eaten in the form of a cracker, to say nothing of the idea that a being can be his own father. No more worrying about whether your God is who you think he is, or even if he exists. No more wondering what you did do deserve some misfortune that has befallen you. No more struggling to understand how an infinitely just and loving being could allow innocent children to suffer horribly.

Finally you'll be free from doubt, not because you vigorously suppressed any unpleasant thoughts, but because, even though you may not know the answer to life, the universe, and everything, you don't have a reason to fear the truth. And the truth shall set you free.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 1, 2010 at 6:35am
@Bill how do you know that there is no divine intervention. Are you implying that you know all things and are hence able to speak on behalf of the entire human race.

@James why don't you give money to the church? Help us feed the poor. Do you think I am naive enough to think that a naturalistic scientist is test and attempt to prove creationism. Come On!! And see the thing is James, when something is true, it doesn't change. Hence I'm not arguing relationship with Jesus, I am simply stating a truth. It sounds smug, I'm not trying to be, but that is just the matter of the fact.

@Malcolm well sure Christians don't know everything, but Atheists are the ones who are always poking at Christians for us to answer all the questions. Why is there evil in the world? Why didn't God stop the flood? Why doesn't God stop the killing? Well have you asked yourselves those same questions? Why is there killing in this world? Maybe that should be a highlight of a discussion and see what infantile answer you can come up with. Maybe something like..it's in our DNA or something like that. Even though scientists can make no distinction between a killers DNA and a regular family man's DNA.

-Gandi layed naked in bed with a few beautiful women and refused to sleep with them as a measure of his strength. Your strength as a man doesn't come from seeing how many women you can get in bed. On the contrary, your true strength is defined by your restraint.

@Radu I am sorry sir, I misunderstood you. I really do apologize. My problem is Radu, we are ignoring the unseen elements of humanity. I agree that our natural bodies help us to interact with the world, but what is it that causes us to love? What is it that causes us to appreciate the beauty of a flower and music? I propose that there is an unseen soul/spirit. It is that which separates us from the animals.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on October 1, 2010 at 6:48am
sorry for the grammatical errors...I wrote this in a rush.
@Kris I know in whom I believe. I believe that Jesus Christ is able to do what is meaningful for this world. And that is the reason I am here. Jesus Christ answers the problem of sin, with his death on the cross. Sin is the true problem here, not research, not misunderstandings, or any such thing. Everyone here battles to keep that sin because sin feels good. But sin brings death. But the bible says that Jesus comes that we might have life and have it more abundantly. Above knowledge and above science, I pray that you will have life and have it in full.

@M honestly M, that is totally possible. If you love cookies then you will put your faith in them to satisfy that special craving. @Mario the same can be said about cheese.

Thank you guys for your comments. I hope I didn't sound too brash. Some of the harsh talk is intention, because I'm hoping to rattle the cage a bit. But I hope to never disrespect you as a person. Thank you again. God Bless. I'm gonna look at some discussions and put in my two cents. Please don't hurt me in the process. :)
Comment by James on October 1, 2010 at 9:41pm
@James why don't you give money to the church? Help us feed the poor. Do you think I am naive enough to think that a naturalistic scientist is test and attempt to prove creationism. Come On!! And see the thing is James, when something is true, it doesn't change. Hence I'm not arguing relationship with Jesus, I am simply stating a truth. It sounds smug, I'm not trying to be, but that is just the matter of the fact.

Why would I give money to a church to feed the poor? I'd rather donate to organizations that I feel are more efficient and won't discriminate. Myself and other members have run up across church charities that only help their group, not everyone. One example was a church toy drive that only gives the donations to those of the same denomination. I have nothing against charity, and am a donor. But, simply giving isn't good enough to me. I want what I give to do the most good possible.

Pardon? I assume you're asserting there is a scientific conspiracy... Lets remember that there ARE religious scientists. They would be very interested in proving Biblical creation if possible. Secondly, one needs not be a career scientist to make claims, do research, and search for the truth. I am in no ways a scientist, but use the scientific method if I feel the need to test a claim.

True, the truth never changes. But one can think they know the truth for a long time and find that all along they were mistaken. I felt I knew God was real and true. But I later found that I held unwarranted and unlikely beliefs. People thought they KNEW Zeus was the cause of lightning, they KNEW the Earth was flat, they KNEW the sun circled the Earth, etc, etc... You think you know the truth, as I once did. However, there is no justification or evidence to show that to be the truth beyond the shadow of a doubt. I admit that I don't know for certain that there is no God, but I feel that the existence of said deity is very very unlikely. Sadly, most believers won't admit to even a 1% chance that they may be mistaken.

@Malcolm well sure Christians don't know everything, but Atheists are the ones who are always poking at Christians for us to answer all the questions. Why is there evil in the world? Why didn't God stop the flood? Why doesn't God stop the killing? Well have you asked yourselves those same questions? Why is there killing in this world? Maybe that should be a highlight of a discussion and see what infantile answer you can come up with. Maybe something like..it's in our DNA or something like that. Even though scientists can make no distinction between a killers DNA and a regular family man's DNA.

I'm sure you'll see that these questions are posed to show the holes in the 'all loving merciful God' claim. It's a simple debating practice. Ask questions that are contrary to the claimed properties of whatever is in question. Let's say you come up to me with an ice cream cone. I ask you what flavor it is and you reply that it's strawberry. However I find issue with your claim when I see the ice cream. So I ask why your ice cream is green if it's strawberry? Surely it should be red? You state, nope, strawberry. I as if I can taste it and you say I'll just have to trust you. I remind you that you aren't feeling well and had stated that 'everything was tasting funny'. Still you stand firm. True this is a silly example, but any one of us really can be mistaken when it comes to anything. We're only human.

As for actual answers... Bad things happen because it really is a cruel unfair world out there. Good things happen and bad things happen. It's the way things work. The world doesn't revolve around us, so we shouldn't expect a dream land life. Evil... There are bad people just as there are good people. They may be that way out of personal gain, revenge, mental disorder, etc, etc.

As for a good man being decipherable from a bad man; DNA isn't everything. Sure DNA can be a factor, but surroundings and upbringing do as well. If you or I were brought up in polar opposites of the area we were brought up in, there is a very good chance that we may not be the same people we are today. Also, it doesn't get any closer than identical twins, yet twins separated at birth can have very different personalities.


-Gandi layed naked in bed with a few beautiful women and refused to sleep with them as a measure of his strength. Your strength as a man doesn't come from seeing how many women you can get in bed. On the contrary, your true strength is defined by your restraint.


So.... The fact that I have only ever slept with my wife gets the stamp of approval then? Sure we made love prior to marriage, but I will tell you freely that I want none other than my wonderful wife. If I die having slept with no one other than her, I will not feel the slightest regret.

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