Comment by Craig Nomazlab on September 29, 2010 at 10:01am

Ladies and gentlemen, know we don't need faith. We need facts, and evidence to support them. Faith is just believing something without any evidence. People sitting in hospital beds turned down medicine that could've easily cured them for prayer because they had "faith in God." Guess what? THEY DIED! I don't simply have "faith" in things, I decide, what seems the most logical. If it's proven wrong, or I discover something that makes more sense, I disregard the previous theory.
If you think that you're going to convert anyone on this website, you're wrong. We've all heard your argument here come from millions of different people, and it didn't work then, and it's not going to work this time.

Comment by Radu Andreiu on September 29, 2010 at 2:45pm

I wrote a poem too, but, as I'm not that good of a poet, it's only 4 verses long. So, here it goes:

Oh, when the fool is so devout
That he is effectively blind,
Only he who's full of doubt
Bears at least a grain of mind.

Comment by Gaytor on September 29, 2010 at 2:49pm

There are always issues and questions in life to address. Faith does nothing to change that. Jesus advocated murdering non-believers and selling your cloak for a sword if need be. Done either of those things?

Faith makes no absolute standards. This is why there are hundreds of sects of Christianity. There are questions that you answer contrary to your religion's examples. Are you for Abortion? Numbers 5:11-31 directs a husband how to perform one. Numbers 5:24 Then he shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings a curse, so that the water which brings a curse will go into her and cause bitterness.

It's a decent poem, but I'm not ready to cede any moral high ground.

Comment by Jon Heim on September 29, 2010 at 3:40pm

I think you are absolutely right about intelligent people feeling obscure. you know what they say, ignorance is bliss. as far as needing faith, I'm sorry but I really think that I'm capable of living my life without it.

Comment by Gerald Scott on September 29, 2010 at 5:24pm

Being an atheist there is no confusion.
When one knows what not to believe.
One doesn't believe anything without knowledge.
Even uncertainty.

Comment by Trevauhn Grant on September 29, 2010 at 5:24pm

Adriana whether it be lesbians, gays, primordial soup, big bang, doesn't matter. There are questions being asked that your knowledge and intellect simply cannot answer. And yes the lesbian question was the one that caught my attention on that particular blog. Mainly because all that intellect was getting in the way of answering a simple question. Then it all occurred to me. If you rely solely on your natural ability you are doomed to futility. And I know that is a truth that can be applied to multiple situations.

Comment by Mario Rodgers on September 29, 2010 at 5:38pm

Why so mysterious?
Why so self-righteous?
I thought your Bible would've brought some clarity.
I thought your power would erase all suffering.

But now I see it all so clearly. . .

You don't exist.

Comment by Gaytor on September 29, 2010 at 5:46pm

So what's your faith based answer to the question about any potential for bisexuality since it's simple? Certainly you don't think that gays and bisexual people are faking it. We see it in the animal kingdom as well so clearly it's biological matter.

Don't you recognize that we don't have all of the information yet? That there is no Oracle? It's a method of gathering information for an interesting question. We all have different life experiences. You gather those experiences in one place and discuss. That's part of what's interesting and fulfilling about being non-believers. We don't have a construct that tells us who to be. There is little deviation within churches and great deviation between churches and religions. If you hang out in one place, you may think that you have it figured out, but it's a delusion. A person that does that hasn't experienced enough to know that they haven't even seen the world for what it is yet.

Comment by Trevauhn Grant on September 29, 2010 at 6:04pm

@James I thought about giving an answer before but thought it not necessary. Because most people here, i've found, subscribe to naturalism. And that is one of the limitations that is keeping all the answers so obscure and rather confusing. Biblical sex is more than a physical act, more than pleasure, and more than just getting off. Sex between a man and a woman is literally the giving of one's heart, soul, and body to the person you love. Sex was actually meant to connect two people, making them one. Hence, the husband and wife would have sex right after marriage to solidify their union.

Of course, this is the part that I'm gonna get rave reviews about. That union cannot occur between two men or two women. So no, there isn't any single act a woman can do that can be defined as sex. But there isn't any single act a man can do either. Just because penetration can occur doesn't mean it is sex. Just because you can get someone off or give them sexual pleasure doesn't make it sex. Sex is deeper than what the eyes can see.

That's my answer in a nutshell, there is plenty more to say, but I'd rather not at this time.

@Radu thanks for your poem buddy. But in a discussion it is best to answer without ridicule. Ridicule gives the sense that you have no idea what to say, so you just point and laugh. I respect your opinions because you are human, I would appreciate you showing me that respect. Thank You

@Craig don't ignore those who have been healed. Many have been healed and I've seen it with my own eyes. People leave the hospital (one particular lady was allergic to almost everything the doctors gave her) come to our church and is healed before the end of the service.

@Fred funny, my entire family is in the medical field. Moms a RN, Dad's in Psychiatry, Wife is study to be a RN and later a Pediatrician. But let me tell you, science will always be one step behind God. You guys are going to get to the top of the mountain one day, only to find that there are a bunch of theologians sitting at the top saying, "we told you so."

Comment by Mario Rodgers on September 29, 2010 at 6:24pm

LOL. Biblical sex? You really don't know anything about the Bible. Life was cheap in the Bible. Women were property. They even had prices!

Naturalism makes sense because the natural world IS all we have. What does "making love" have anything to do the Bible or for that matter gods? It has EVERYTHING to do with social limits, patterns, and brain chemicals.

But let me tell you, science will always be one step behind God. You guys are going to get to the top of the mountain one day, only to find that there are a bunch of theologians sitting at the top saying, "we told you so."

Wow. You're like almost every Christian I used to know. So damned smug.

With science, there IS no mountain. It's a continual climb. Kinda like the "we told you so" when science discovered the world was round, went around the sun, was 6 billion years old, that daylight before there was a sun was an impossibility, that the sky is not a "firmament", that diseases aren't "curses from God", and yadda yadda yadda. LOL. Religion's track record is not all that impressive.

People leave the hospital (one particular lady was allergic to almost everything the doctors gave her) come to our church and is healed before the end of the service.

Until an impartial, scientific investigation is done, I rank this alongside demonic exorcisms. I.E. I'm not buying this shit. Healed from WHAT?! It could be a placebo effect. Or it could be she got away from whatever it was that made her sick.

People have been making gods to explain phenomenon and the(then) unexplainable for countless thousands of years. Science can only squeeze out even more places for gods to hide. All gods are made up. Products of delusions. The sad echoes of primitive thought processes.

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