NON-PROFIT, NON-THEISTS GROUPS BENEFIT ONLY THE FEW!

Non-profit, non-theists groups remind me so much of all the churches. The "donations" are given by the majority of the group, but only those directly running the churches, benefit financially. That's Baloney!

We definitely don't need or want THOSE kinds of "non-theists groups for us. We need, and want, a co-op type organization. An organization that everybody who gives, gets a direct benefit and equally, depending on what they give, of course. Co-ops have been used very successfully in different countries. You can have a co-op credit union, co-op apartment building, co-op food purchasing, etc, etc. They are used for Bulk purchases and they work well.

I read about these so-called "Humanist Groups" that have sprung up in different places. Some in the name of "Humanism", some in the name of Ayn Rand (she is dead), and those groups are feeding off of the majority, but getting all the benefits.

We need and want, a real National Non-theist Organization. One that nobody is getting paid to do it because they are all holding down their regular jobs (if they are still working). It has to be ALL voluntary, no paychecks for anybody!

We just can't allow the general public and the media to ignore us, criticize us, and not respect us for who we are today. Just like the "gay movement" we need to be recognized as an independent movement that is here to stay, and it is growing more, everyday!

 

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Comment by Ryan E. Hoffman on June 22, 2011 at 3:30pm

So let's see your game plan for this all pay, no reward system.

Comment by Joe Rivera on June 22, 2011 at 3:50pm
Ryan, are you joking with me? Did you even understand what I wrote? I don't have any "game plan" my friend. I am only pointing out the fact, that the only Nontheists "supportive" groups out there right now, just want donations, but don't provide any real, genuine benefits to the people who donate the money. I am just trying to start a "think tank" about creating a real, beneficial group, if that is possible. 
Comment by Ryan E. Hoffman on June 22, 2011 at 3:54pm
No, I'm not joking. Are you? You offer no specifics to what organizations you're referring to, and have no real solution in mind for how you would fix it outside of some pipe dream completely separate from reality. It's vague, whiney and not well thought out at all, if you want to press me to answer you.
Comment by Joe Rivera on June 22, 2011 at 4:00pm
Ryan, thank you for your input.
Comment by kris feenstra on June 22, 2011 at 6:08pm

I have no real opinion of non-theist groups and their finance structures; I've never really looked into them as I don't contribute to any of them.  I can say as a general statement that advocacy isn't cheap.  I assume we're talking about groups like American Atheists or the American Humanist Association.  Groups of that scale require permanent staff to run.  They wouldn't function on a strictly volunteer basis.  Gay rights advocacy groups pretty much all have paid staff.  Most of the co-op types you mentioned also require paid staff in practice.

 

This is in part because of the time investment and oversight required for certain aspects of the operations creates a demand for permanent, full-time employees.  It is also in part because certain aspects of these various organizations require specialized employees.  If you hire them internally, you have to expect to pay someone for their speciality.  If you outsource them, you have to at least pay someone to manage and administer the funds.  I mean, if you're talking about a National Organization, that's no small undertaking.

Comment by Ed on June 22, 2011 at 6:27pm

As more atheists exit the closets there is a need to make a collective effort to stem the tide of references to god in politics and general society. I believe publishing magazines and such is helpful but not very effective in getting out the message of "It's OK to be atheistic!"

Rather I would love to see more radio and tv ads that tastefully let our society know were here and we're not going away. It takes a good bankroll to fund advertising. Perhaps if we could get all the present atheist organizations to pool their resources we would be in a better position to make our voice heard.

 

Comment by Joe Rivera on June 22, 2011 at 7:20pm
Kris and Ed, you are both so right. Thank you for your input. Keep thinking that way and maybe some day we will come up with a way to do it.

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