Since Ray uses a scripted argument when dealing with unsaved heathens like me I thought I'd walk myself through it.
Ray: Hey, do you think you're a good person?
Me: I do ok, I try to be good, but I'm not perfect. Like sometimes I lose my temper, I'd say I was a very angry person, but ironically a lot of people tell me that they cant imagine me angry!
Ray: How many lies have you told in your life?
Me: Gosh, who has a number for that? I am not a chronic liar, but then I've told some lies. I'd hesitate to guess. Hell, I'm lying to you right now! (the lie being that this conversation is not real)
Ray: What do you call a person who tells lies?
Me: Well, the generic term would probably be human, but then I've read that chimps and other great apes engage in deception too, so...
Me: I guess it depends on the scale and the motive for the lie. When someone lies to save another person hurt feelings or embarassment I'd call them tactful. If someone lies that there are WMDs in an oil producing nation I'd call them a neo-con sleazebag. It really depends...
Me: But the answer you are looking for is liar. All the complexities of human existence boiled down into a simple meaningless answer.
Ray: Have you ever stolen anything?
Ray: What do we call someone who steals?
Me: (Sigh) Well again, it depends. If someone steals my heart I'd call them romantic, if someone steals the 2000 US election I'd call them the worst President I've ever heard of, if someone steals my seat I'd call them a nuisance. But the simple and barely accurate answer you want is that we'd call them a theif.
Ray: Now have you ever taken the Lord's name in vain.
Me: Yes but...
Ray: Then you're a blasphemer.
Me: Now hang on. I was going to say that I occasionally use the words God and Jesus, but nowhere near as often or as badly as your typical born againer...
Me: also, I like the idea that Mr Deity introduced that taking the name in vain means doing bad things in God's name. In which case no I havent.
Ray: Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman with lust has already commited adultery with her in his heart, so have you ever lusted after a woman?
Me: Well yeah, obviously, but hold on there, let's look at this "in his heart" thing.
Me: According to your standard, sorry "God's" standard it is what you think that matters regardless of whether anything comes of it. Well then... I have cured cancer and aids in my heart, I have created cheap clean energy in my heart, I have colonised Mars in my hearrt. Presumably I get some credit for that.
Me: Unfortunately the Nobel Committee may well have awarded me my prizes in their hearts, but apparently not in reality so can we drop this "in your heart" thing?
Ray: So you're an adulterer
Me: Apparently we cant, bring on the thought crime!
Ray: So we've seen that you're a liar, a thief, a blasphemer and an adulterer. If God were to judge you today do you think you'd go to heaven or hell.
Me: What a loaded question. I didnt agree with your categories. I dont believe in your God or Heaven and Hell. I dispute the whole notion of judgement!
Ray: A siner hates God like a criminal hates the judge and the police. God is the judge!
Me: That's ridiculous. For one thing, sometimes the criminal is in the right, standing up against an unjust law. When the laws are fair there's no requirement to hate the police. People support the police and justice system in so many cases it is just not funny that you'd use this comparison.
Me: Listen, where I come from, the first police commisioner said they would work not from force of arms but from unquestionable moral authority. You are positing god more as a gestapo type of figure. So yes in one scenario I'd hate the police and in the other I'd respect them. But that's too messy for you isnt it. You need to make everything look black and white so that you can push the answers you are looking for. Life is complicated!
Ray: Look at this banana!