My (full) Conversation with a Christian today.

Friend: nope I'm a christian
Friend: you don't view that as a bad thing do you?
Me: in a majority of cases, it can be
Friend: and why is that?
Me: religion is the base of most of the mos devastating acts of murder and intolerance in history
Me: i disagree with every form of it/
Friend: have you ever looked at the history of humans? not even the religious aspect of it
Me: thoroughly
Friend: humans are not that nicest things
Me: Oh i know
Friend: very brutal
Me: I distrust human beings as a whole
Me: but you don't see atheists or Buddhist waging any murderous genocides
Friend: i feel without guidance the human race would be a whole lot worse
Me: there is a difference between what you call guidance
Me: and true guidance
Me: man can seek guidance in other man
Me: in themselves
Me: in many many things
Me: but as i have seen from history and personal experience
Me: those people that seek guidance in a "god" or higher power tend to abuse that guidance
Me: and use it as justification for their wrongs
Me: not all
Me: but a very high majority
Friend: sorry i went to get food let me catch up
Friend: yes i will admit there are people who claim they are Christians and then do some dumb stuff
Me: dumb as in the holocaust?
Friend: i know a few of them that go to school around me that go to a christian college
Me: there are more than just a few
Me: I'm not saying that you're one of those people
Me: i have christian friend, whom i love and wouldn't change for the world
Friend: well you brought up the holocaust
Me: some people can handle the literal responsibility of religion
Me: most can't
Friend: he wasn't a christian because he was more or less killing off Jews and in the bible Jesus freed the Jews
Friend: so why would God "tell" Hitler to kill Jews?
Me: Wow...
Me: um did you read your history books? O_o
Me: Hitler literally based his ENTIRE regime off of the basis that the German people were a divine race ordained pure by god.
Friend: yes i understand this
Me: And the Jews, as they killed Jesus in the bible, were to be murdered and cleansed from the glorious land of Germany
Me: he based the ENTIRE genocide off of the deluded belief that god ORDAINED him
Friend: Hitler was also in general was not a mentally stable man
Me: actually, you're wrong
Me: from all reports of his demeanor and every report of him, he was a well composed intellectual
Friend: 90% of serial killers are very intelligent and normally have genius IQs
Friend: would you view them as mentally stable?
Me: who is to say that their gods aren't actually talking to them?
Me: most serial killings are based off of religion or some form of believed ordainment from a higher power
Me: who is anyone to really judge whether or not their god is speaking to them to hurt others
Me: in the bible there are numerous counts of god in the old testament telling his followers to kill even their own family members
Me: then miraculously, in the new testament, the devil was born, as if the people of the christian faith couldn't deal with the reality of their god being both good and evil
Me: as he was in the old testament
Friend: yes i understand that he told his followers to kill family members and he also destroyed whole cities
Me: take a look at this,
Friend: the reasoning behind this was because they were going against his will
Friend: either way I'm a christian and i will stand by my faith 100%
Me: of course
Me: you see the difference between you and i
Me: is if you were to prove to me that god existed, or make me somehow see the light, i would be able to accept Christianity
Me: but i know, no matter how i prove to you otherwise, you will not see or admit my light.

Views: 33

Comment by Johnny on February 12, 2009 at 4:49pm
Your last two lines really say it all. So many of faith want you to be open and listen to them, but are incapable of doing it themselves.

So did the conversation end there?
Comment by Morticia on February 13, 2009 at 2:12am
I know, it's horridly sickening.

Not so much, when it got quiet he commented, " I think that It's funny that you're now not speaking to me because of my faith." Which is a little presumptuous on my character and rather rude, even for a nice little christian as he claims to be. To this I replied, " No, I'm actually writing a paper and in pain, so I'm sorry that the matter of your delusional fairy tales isn't my priority."

He seemed to think i was being defensive a lot. Which caused him to defend his invisible cause, while i was saying something something as "okay."
Lovely interaction.... O_o
Comment by Johnny on February 13, 2009 at 11:35am
Funny how you can present something as a question or statement where you are meaning to be thought provoking, hoping to get them to think about what you said. Instead they think you're attacking (or being overly defensive) and thus they turtle-up and get defensive.
Comment by AtypicalAtheist on March 13, 2009 at 12:16am
You remembered this from a conversation or was it an online chat?
Comment by Rev. Tom Hicks, D.D. on March 13, 2009 at 10:30pm
Irrelevant, & apparently an online chat.
Comment by Morticia on March 14, 2009 at 12:25am
This conversation is irrelevant Pops?
Comment by Zero One on December 10, 2009 at 9:34am
some of the humans are too brainwashed to accept that there is no god, I pity them. I was spoon fed religious bull shit for 13 years, but i still saw through the stupidity of it all.

A person who is guided by God will never be misguided by anyone.
-- Osama Bin Laden
Comment by Joli on November 7, 2010 at 4:56pm
you made such Good Sense :)


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