Most insidious thing about religion

The most insidious thing about religion is how it conditions our minds to believe that what we see in the world, what is right in front of us, is not real. Instead there are invisible forces manipulating what we think is reality. Reality is behind the curtain. You must believe it.

-98% of climate scientists are wrong

-evolution is a hoax

-does anyone remember when plate tectonics was a hoax? I learned that in the 70's. Don't hear that anymore though.

-we can pay the national debt without paying it

-cut taxes and the government has more money

-liberals act as badly as conservatives

-supply side economics

-Barack Obama has not compromised in the debt ceiling debate


The Faithful don't let any thing as silly as facts get in the way of what they just know is true. You can't win the argument with them because the merits don't matter. Now they've gained a lot of power and they're so faithful that they seem wholly (perhaps holy) unaware that their faith has pushed us past the environmental tipping point (yes, I think the world is entering a major environmental decline), and about to push the world into economic collapse. 


The current Republican party = cynics (Republican politicians) leading the stupids (the Tea Party) while the intelligent hide in shame


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Comment by Alan Goldstein on July 31, 2011 at 7:29pm

I like your post. TeaBaggers are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.

Comment by Doug Reardon on July 31, 2011 at 9:01pm

The only thing worse than a scumbag, lowlife, democrat is: a republican

Comment by Philip Jarrett on July 31, 2011 at 9:42pm

The most insidious thing about religion is it teaches people to fear death.

Once you accept your own mortality, there is no need for God.

Acceptance of mortality was the norm throughout recorded history and remained so for the common people until less that 500 years CE .  I know, there is an argument that human remains from prehistory being found with their tools or toys shows a belief in the afterlife, but this is projecting the earliest examples of survival beyond life found in ancient Egypt backwards. 

Japan is one of my favorite countries because they had the good sense to see Christian missionaries as the forwarning of colonization and kill them.  Japan is, also, a great place to study the history of primitive religion.  As a series of islands, they were isolated from the influence of mainland China and Korea to a great extent.  When Buddhism and other ideas came to their shores, they modified the beliefs to their liking and layered them on top of their most primitive folk religion. 

During the recent tsunami and nuclear meltdowns two religious concepts struck me as typical of the Japanese approach to things spiritual:

One, they had their usual Pat Robertson figure blaming the events on the anger of God.  But in their version, God was not angry because of their acceptance of homosexuality but he was angry because the Japanese people had become too wealthy and materialistic.  Almost thou persuadest me to become Shinto!

Second, they performed rituals for the dead, but not to ease them into the afterlife, but to keep them dead.

Therefore, the burying of personal items with prehistoric dead people is best explained not with a concept of the afterlife or God, but rather the fear of ghosts.  A person's tools or a child's toys were intimately connected with that person and, if the living divided them up after their death, then the dead would be pissed off and come looking for them.

It tickles me to think that one of the origins of religion was not to see the dead raised to a new life but rather to keep the dead dead like they should be!

On the origin of religion, let me add that looking into evolution as the source is a Christian game...they are searching for the elusive "God Shaped Hole" in people.  Religion is a social phenomena closely linked to is entertainment around the campfire.  Show Biz.  The more bizarre aspects, what people who have never experienced such things call 'spiritual', come from sleep disorders and other forms of Altered States of Consciousness.

But I digress.

Religion gives you the disease...fear of death...then offers you the cure. 

Much like the old farmer who kept moonshine in one mason jar as a cure for snakebites and a snake in another jar.

Comment by Dale Headley on August 1, 2011 at 4:04am

Excellent post.  This shows as clearly as anything that religion is eating away at the fabric of our society, trying to drag us back to medieval times, just as the Republicans are trying to drag us back to the 1920's.  Christians believe that THEY and ONLY they have the right to rule - that secular government is in their way; and they are determined to destroy it along with science. 

Comment by Alan Goldstein on August 1, 2011 at 8:45am

UsuallyScarlett, a “Line in the Sand” is fine on paper, but in reality it can be an untenable position.

When you’re dealing with a group (TeaBaggers) that truly believes defaulting is a better option than giving in, what do you do? Did Obama cave? If I’m holding a gun on your family, and I say “Do it or else.”, is it caving if you comply?

Besides, don’t buy into the Obama has done nothing crap. Republicans/TeaBaggers have learned that if you scream any lie, loud enough and long enough, people begin to believe it, even those that should know better. Having a majority, as he did in the beginning means very little, as evidenced by the trouble Republicans had with its members during this debt crisis.


Never has a president had to deal with such opposition. Half the people he MUST work with want to destroy him. You can’t lead people who hate you. Then the voters in their infinite lack of wisdom, chose to make that job harder, by electing even more of the haters, something that was aided by idiots staying home and not voting, because they were discouraged, or disappointed. Well boo  ef’in hoo! Wonder how they fell NOW!


Do a little research, Obama has been quite effective, especially when you consider what he’s had to work with. You cant herd sheep, when half of them are wolves!

Comment by Alan Goldstein on August 1, 2011 at 9:59am

No one called you an idiot, and you’re way  too thin skinned. Besides, you’re not the only one reading the post (even if it is addressed to you).

As for it bothering me, it’s the tone. It reminds me of posts I read where someone lies by saying they voted for Obama, but now they hate him. You say you don’t understand him. Really? If as you say, you’ve “researched”, you should be able to understand most of his actions. 

Look, I don’t agree with every decision he makes, but in most cases, I understand his reasoning, or the political realities that left him with nothing but bad choices (Health Care for instance). But I’d never start a public critique of him by stating “Don’t get me started on Obama”. That does nothing but fuel the opposition.

I’m a Liberal, but I must admit that many of my fellow liberals act as silly as any extreme TeaBagger. They draw “Lines in the sand” refusing to face reality. Or worse, they vote for the Green Party candidate, there-by giving the election to the opposition. I know the Green Party denies this, but “Facts are stubborn things”.

In the end though, just remember which side you’re on.

Comment by Sophie on August 1, 2011 at 12:50pm
Interesting discussion. I look forward to following it.
Comment by Tim on August 1, 2011 at 1:40pm

For a list of TeaBaggers, please see:

Comment by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on August 1, 2011 at 6:13pm
Alan... who was on the discussion that you were talking to? I came in and didn't see the post your were responding to in your last post.
Comment by Alan Goldstein on August 1, 2011 at 9:14pm

Skycomet, I was replying to UsuallyScarlett .


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