Comment by Danny Sanchez on December 4, 2011 at 10:04am

That Crap works me up too Ed.

Comment by Steff on December 4, 2011 at 10:27am

These oh-so-good christians obviously didn't think about the well being of the mothers others children our the rest of her family. They would have been screwed without the mom but with the newborn.
Strange way of thinking. If letting both, mother and child, die instead is their answer - I wonder if they take any medications at all cause clearly god never told them to. They should ask themselves if they would decide the same way if it was happening in their own family.

Comment by Doug Reardon on December 4, 2011 at 8:19pm

For us heathens, death is the end, but for believers, death is just the start of a glorious afterlife!

Comment by Zach Winkler on December 4, 2011 at 10:17pm

As I have stated before, I am pro-life, but one of my exceptions are if the mother is at life-threatening risk. The doctors made the correct decision, it is very sad that the baby had to die, but the mother comes first (unless she specifically requested to take the risk of death).

Also, why does any church have a say in what a hospital (a scientific institution) does? Why is a nun on a board of ethics? Christians are historically one of the most (with maybe the exception of muslims) un-ethical religious groups! They have no business there!

 

Comment by Arcus on December 5, 2011 at 6:32am

I actually disagree here, though I will have to base it on an assumption. If the patient herself is anti-abortion, to the level of your mother, which I presume since she was treated at a Catholic hospital, then the abortion should not have been conducted despite the very probable fatal outcome.

Opinions are reflected in real world choices with real world consequences. Bad opinions make for bad choices with bad outcomes - and I don't support saving people from their own idiocy.

Comment by Ed on December 5, 2011 at 9:07am

@ Arcus

So what would you as the husband and father have told their children after the unnecessary death of their mom?

Would your logic also prevent intervention in the case of a suicide attempt? 

Comment by Arcus on December 5, 2011 at 10:12am

@Ed:

Does not sound like a me-problem. People die unnecessary and meaningless deaths due to their own stupidity every day, and I would prefer not to have a nanny state overriding personal choice, even if those choices are bad. I personally see it as natural selection by other means.

Suicide usually stems from psychological issues, such as depression, which is curable. Those who wish to commit it should therefore receive medical and/or psychological help as they are unable to take care of themselves. It's completely different from a sincerely held belief that one would rather die than have an abortion. If you are talking about shortening end-of-life for the terminally ill or incurable diseased I have no issues in granting them the right, ability, and aid in controlling their destiny.

Comment by Steff on December 5, 2011 at 4:52pm

I agree with Arcus on behalf of the abortion, if it would have been done against the mothers wishes then there should be consequences for the hospital. But this doesn't seem to be the case here, else the media and the church people would have exploited the matter for sure.

I disagree on the suicide matter however, but that is a different discussion.

Comment by Kairan Nierde on December 5, 2011 at 8:22pm

After reading this story some months ago, I've been wondering if the people at my local hospital would allow me to die if I needed treatment that would harm my fetus.  It's really not something a woman should have to consider.  But, our area is dominated by catholic hospitals.  They refuse to administer birth control while you're inpatient (even if need it for hormone regulation, rather than as a contraceptive), so I know the standard of care is already being compromised by their so-called "ethics."  I haven't looked into the Hospital's policy on whether or not the fetus's right to life trumps the mother 's right to life.  As someone uninterested in reproducing, hopefully this all remains theoretical for me.  Meanwhile, for the women in my community who rely on our hostpitals for care while they're in their reproductive years...

Comment by Ed on December 5, 2011 at 11:41pm

@ Arcus

"Does not sound like a me-problem. People die unnecessary and meaningless deaths due to their own stupidity every day, and I would prefer not to have a nanny state overriding personal choice, even if those choices are bad. I personally see it as natural selection by other means."

You still didn't answer my question about what Dad tells the kids happened to Mom. Is he going to tell then Mom was just stupid. 

Perhaps you misunderstood the original post. The woman wanted the abortion after receiving revelation to her almost certain death. The hospital obliged. 

How could a doctor work at a facility where ethics trumps the Oath of Hippocrates?

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