I just read an article this morning online about a group teens in Oklahoma who randomly shot and killed an Australian collage student and claim they did it "for the fun of it". All I can think of is, what is wrong with these kids? 

"...Charged with first-degree murder are Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards Jr., 15, according to the Stephens County District Attorney's office. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, who allegedly drove the vehicle carrying the other suspects, was charged with use of a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to murder after the fact, the office said..."

"...Lane was out jogging during a visit to his girlfriend and her family in Duncan on Friday, when he was shot in the back, police said. He attended East Central University in Ada, Oklahoma, where he was on a baseball scholarship.

What drives a person (even the most immature teenager) to think that killing someone is funny? Or that its acceptable to kill for fun? From a psychological viewpoint, what causes a persons train of thought to resort to killing for fun?

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Comment by Nina van der Roos on August 23, 2013 at 7:59am

@ Unseen, compare the murder rates per 100,000, same for violent crimes. Compare incarceration rates.

All western societies are still paternalistic and misogynistic, women are always going to be more the victims anywhere, so that point of yours is spurious.

I restate: "my point is that all these things taken together........." 

Sociopathy is a mental disease, principally characterised by lack of empathy. It strikes me that our entire western society is suffering from it, yet this i not how we are born believe me, I hold newborns every day, none come out of vaginas like this. 

It is because we been shown images of real violence on news and fake violence on tv and movies since infancy. For us to survive the mental trauma of this disturbing garbage, a lot of people just block the images out, like a rape-victim would block out the experience, they disassociate or become passive, in short we become complacent and consider it "normal". We reap what we sow, so when we sow violence by the means I talked about we will end up reaping murder, war, abuse and rape.

We all need to take this onboard, to challenge the assumed order because otherswise as Einstein said ;

"This world will not be destroyed by those that do evil but by those who watch them and do nothing"

Do I think all americans are sick in the head, no of course not that is patently absurd, and a petty thing for some to imply that is what I said, BUT - and its a BUT as big as my aunt arse - there is definitely something sicker at the heart of US society with the rest of the west in lock-step right behind it.

Comment by Simon Paynton on August 23, 2013 at 9:35am

I can recommend an excellent book - “Born for Love – why empathy is essential – and endangered” by Bruce D Perry and Maia Szalavitz. 

Comment by Rocky john on August 23, 2013 at 11:54am

Nina- I doubt that violence in games,music and video have any real causal relationship to violence in society. The fact is that as violence in our media has become more common place, so too has violent crime  steadily fallen in nearly all westernized countries.

I personally think that there could maybe even be something that is overall beneficial in it. The fact is that life causes every single one of all sorts of pain and anger. And violent video's, music and games are a far healthier release of that tension than most of the alternatives. 

I tend to think that it is not the violence in our media that causes people to be violent, but the fact that we are narurally violent which causes us to enjoy violence in our media.

Comment by archaeopteryx on August 23, 2013 at 4:13pm

Nina and Rocky, I think you both make good points. We all have violence within us - it has helped us survive for millions of years in a hostile environment, and although that environment has changed substantially, it's not a quality to be bred out of us in a generation or two. Further, even in our more civilized environment of today, we encounter frustrations, and that anxiety must be dealt with in some acceptable fashion - living vicariously through violent movies and TV shows, as well as playing violent video games can relieve some of that stress.

On the downside, seeing actors killed violently in films, with today's excellent special effects techniques can make the viewer forget for a moment that it is all pretend, that at the end of the day, the actor gets up, gives his prop gun back to the property manager, untapes the spent squibs, takes off the makeup and goes home to the wife and kiddies. Both films and hands-on shoot-em-up video games can make killing seem too easy - they can enure us to the simplicity of pulling a trigger to resolve an issue.

There are safer and even healthier ways of relieving stress and anxiety, but try changing a multi-billion dollar entertainment industry, the 21st Century equivalence of Circus Maximus, and see how far you get.

Comment by archaeopteryx on August 23, 2013 at 4:17pm

In a sense - and this includes climate change and all of the other things we're doing to our planet - it's like being on a speeding train, headed for a cliff, you know what's going to happen, you can't change it, and you can't get off.

Comment by Unseen on August 23, 2013 at 6:32pm

NEWS FLASH TO ALL YOU DOOM & GLOOMERS (Nina, Archie, et al), with almost all of the supposed "causes" of violence getting worse, you'll be surprised to know that over the last 20 years American violence has been on the decline:

Gun-related homicides and crime are "strikingly" down from 20 years ago, despite the American public's belief that firearm crime is on the upswing, a new study said Wednesday.

Looking back 50 years, a Pew Research Center study found U.S. gun homicides rose in the 1960s, gained in the 1970s, peaked in the 1980s and the early 1990s, and then plunged and leveled out the past 20 years.

"Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago," the researchers say.

A Pew survey of Americans in March found 56% believed gun-related crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% said it's lower. The survey said 26% believed it stayed the same and 6% didn't know. (source)

Comment by Unseen on August 23, 2013 at 6:43pm

@Ed - Nina is one of those ethical dualists who can't imagine doing anything like that herself, but those other people, the inferior ones with weaker minds, their feeble minds are subject to corrosion.

Comment by archaeopteryx on August 23, 2013 at 7:00pm

Gosh, I can't imagine why Judith doesn't like you --

Comment by _Robert_ on August 23, 2013 at 7:05pm
The issue is the nature of the shootings. I recall a lot of drug related or gang violence. Just seems more senseless now. More random, and scary. The media probably shapes my perception as well. They really play up these events.
Comment by archaeopteryx on August 23, 2013 at 7:19pm

Yeah, getting kittens out of trees rarely makes headlines, does it.

Still, looking at that crew, it would be hard to imagine their combined IQs equal room temperature.


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