Just a thought; wouldn't it be nice if we had a Presidential candidate that had a background in science or education? One that promised to end our wars of corporate sponsorship overseas, as well as the drug war here. That actually understood the Constitution and took steps to preserve it, to the point of rolling back things like the Patriot Act. That was dedicated to bringing to justice the people involved in looting our economy, abusing our own citizens in the name of "security," and making the routine commission of war crimes routine?
I'd be so happy to kick Obama to the curb in favor of such a candidate. Is there anyone who fits the bill?

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Comment by Adam Livingston on September 11, 2011 at 7:22pm

Ron Paul.

Comment by Brady on September 11, 2011 at 8:25pm
Are you serious? I can't tell if you're trolling or not because everything you named describes Ron Paul.
Comment by Brady on September 12, 2011 at 11:24am

@Matt I would take his personal denial of evolution to end the wars overseas. Science will always prevail. There is nothing that a president can do to end the teaching of evolution. That is personal just like someone's belief in religion. They only ask religious questions as a red herring for personal attack. Sadly, people are driven by likeness, looks, and media portrayal of a candidate over substance.

Ron Paul doesn't have the mentality that the government can fix everything. Besides, the real power is in the House and Senate. The republicans will take the Senate and keep the House. Obama and the Dems had their shot after Bush.

And the pendulum swings, as it always does. I really believe Paul is outside the politics as usual, however I thought Obama was too, so I could be wrong there. Paul has been talking about ending the wars overseas for years. Never changed his position. I think that is more important than a person's acceptance of evolution.

Lives or Evolution? - If it came down to it, I would rather save lives now and fight for evolution later, but there is no way a president can change the education curriculum on evolution

Comment by Ghost The Smoker on September 12, 2011 at 12:48pm

I honestly believe that Obama is the only option this time around. Ron Paul is not going to win. he will lose to either Michele Bachmann And Rick Perry. Both of which are terrible candidates. Some of the magic might be gone, But realistically he's the only Candidate who won't completely fuck us up.

Comment by Brady on September 12, 2011 at 1:19pm

@Matt Good point on the environment. However, it is a catch-22. Do people want to maintain there way of life or make a dramatic shift for the environment? It's obvious, people are selfish.

Obama just had to cut back one of his EPA standards because companies were threatening to do rolling blackouts to meet regulation standards. Obama didn't have a choice but to postpone those standards. Corporations forced his hand. Paul may do exact same things on environment as Obama because many corporations are willing to play chicken with the economy. They will cut jobs, move overseas, avoid taxes, slow production, speculate on oil and just about a bazillion other things they do to control their greedy bottom line.You have to accept, that a lot is out of government control. More regulations force people to find the loopholes to maintain business as usual.

Corporations really don't care what governments do here on regulations. If they can afford it, they will dodge the government and move overseas to a more pollution-friendly, less taxes, lower wages (slaves if they can), and less regulation country. Which is the reason our economy isn't doing any better under Obama.

Obama had his chances but he ended up being just another good politician for corporations. He could have ended the wars and invested that money in green energy here, but nope...bullets and bombs were more important.

Comment by Brady on September 12, 2011 at 1:23pm

@Lil Rome You can always vote in the Republican primary for Ron Paul. It doesn't hurt to try and get him on the Republican ticket. I would love to see Obama debate Paul on the wars, immigration, taxes, and jobs.

Comment by Brady on September 12, 2011 at 1:56pm

Don't blame the tea party. Obama and democrats controlled the house and senate in super majority. They passed the stimulus (temporary fix until money runs out) and barely passed the health care law which is yet to be determined if the individual mandate will be upheld in supreme court. Good luck with that. Republicans still hold majority in supreme court.

As much as I wish there were a third party, it will never happen. Too many people are either too "Democrat" or too "Republican". Too many people vote purely based on the letter next to the candidates name. So, it is a smart move by Ron Paul. That is the only way he would ever get elected. The democrats and republicans control the elections and debates. It's orchestrated so that a third party is not possible. A third party makes politics unpredictable for both parties, hence, it's in their interest to avoid a three party debate. Plus, the media wouldn't know how to handle it. They can't report on anything without some polarization and a false dichotomy.

Comment by Dale Headley on September 12, 2011 at 3:35pm

   Dream on!  The core principle of the Republican party, as far as Presidential candidates are concerned, is that they MUST be ignorant, selfish, religious, and anti-science.  It helps, too, if they are incompetent and clueless, so they can be easily manipulated.  That's why the senators from Maine - Collins & Snowe - are not recruited as candidates by the Party bigwigs; they are intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate, and competent.  Unlike intellectually vacuous drones like Bush, McCain, Perry, Bachmann, Palin, et al, they put the country's welfare ahead of the party's; and that just doesn't go over with the GOP.  Bottom line:  the Republican Party is and always has been exclusively an agent of the wealthy.  Anything the rich want, the Republicans are determined to deliver, regardless of its effect on the middle class and the poor.  And now, with their embrace of the tea party and Rush Limbaugh, they have even resorted to racism as a means of acquiring and maintaining power.  It is now the party of rich, white Christians, and they will build border fences and institute Jim Crow laws to keep it that way.  What the Republicans ultimately seek is a United States that is a banana republic, if it isn't already.    

Comment by Brady on September 12, 2011 at 7:00pm

Seems like you get it Matt. It's business as usual for all politicians once elected. I would strongly suggest that you do what you can for Ron Paul. I strongly believe Obama will win the next re-election, but I would like to have Obama vs Paul than any of the other far right wackos.

At least Obama vs Paul debates will have more substance and not the same old polarization. Paul would hammer Obama on the wars and Gitmo and Obama can hammer Paul on being anti-science. It's fair game. I would like that much more. However, if repubs get a far right candidate, you will get the usual talking points.

Obama - Raise taxes on corporations, more regulation, more stimulus, more social programs, evolution, anti-tea party, overlook illegal immigrants, green energy, blue, left

Perry - No taxes, no regulations, no stimulus, no social programs, creation, pro-tea party, attack illegal immigrants, drill baby drill, red, right

See where that is going? Absolutely nowhere.

Things you will not hear about during the debates:

Wars, Patriot Act, Gitmo, Inflation, Bank Corruption and market manipulations, military industrial complex, security industrial complex, cyber industrial complex,

Put Paul against Obama. We need a new debate in Washington. At least Paul will not be the polar opposite of Obama.

Comment by Artor on September 12, 2011 at 9:15pm

I don't trust that Paul has a strong grasp on the Constitution, or the will to regulate big industries. He wears his Randian laurels proudly, and while there's alot I like about the Libertarian perspective, there's alot I think is dangerously naive. But if, by some miracle, he ends up heading the Repub ticket, I expect he would probably beat Obama. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them though.


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