Comment by Gaytor on June 16, 2010 at 10:59am

Charles Taze Russell Predicted that the world would end in 1914. When that failed WWI was the default explanation. The world didn't burn, or do any of the tings laid out in revelations. There were no matks of the beast, etc. One of the tenants of after the rapture is 1000 years of peace. We haven't seen that since then either. So why do you buy Russell's claim that the rapture invisibly happened if it's not even consistent with the rapture laid out in Revelations? Shouldn't he be recognized as something other than a prophet if his prophecies are not consistent with the Bible?

Russell also predicted the end of the Christian Church in 1918. What say you to that? Link to source

The end of the world was predicted 16 times including between 1984 and 2000 without a specific date given. Why would you continue to follow a church that consistently fails, let alone the failings of the founder? Source


If the rapture has happened, in 1918 with the end of WWI, what would be the point of following the religion?

The Watchtower has interpreted the Bible for the last 100 plus years. "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it " and it's said in multiple ways including, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." as said by Jesus himself. If the Watchtower is added and saying things that aren't true such as predicting the end of the world and telling people not to marry in 1938 because it's so close, aren't they added and taking away passages? Aren't they adding and removing rules as they see fit? Isn't this a violation of the Bible as you know it? So do you follow the Bible, or the Watchtower?

JW's believe that Jesus was sinless. Shenanigans

"Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 3If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you doing this?’ tell him, ‘The Lord needs it and will send it back here shortly.’” Mark 11

This would be theft in any version. The colt didn't tie itself, so we must assume that someone has claimed it, ridden or not. Returning it after taking it without permission is still theft.

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” ... “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” - Jesus, Matthew 15

Referring to a person as a dog is clearly not acceptable now. Why would you follow someone as your spiritual leader when you would reject them today? There are other examples, but this should take the sparkle off of him.


Jesus doesn't become "The Christ" until John the Baptist baptizes him. Where did John the Baptist get the power to Baptize if Christianity didn't exist prior to Christ? Why would God need a human to alter his disciple to give him powers?

These are some of the elementary questions that I would have.

Comment by Gaytor on June 16, 2010 at 11:03am

I left out the young earth arguments... how did light get here if the stars were created 6000 years ago considering some are 13.7 billion light years away? Historical records of Damascus go back 9000. The Isle Lamotte coral reef is 450 million years old and reefs have annular rings. How can you reconcile that with 6000 years. Polarization of rocks switching with the switching of the poles through out the geologic column.

I'll shut up now. I just wish that JW trolled my hood.

Comment by Natasha Kenny on June 16, 2010 at 11:19am

Ask can you have a slave.I don't know what part of the bible it is but I heard on this site the bible talks about owning slaves.

Comment by Randy Turner on June 16, 2010 at 1:27pm

Jehovah witness believe that only a certain number of people will make it 2 heaven. ask them what if i take your or your wife or kids places in heaven.

Comment by Mecca on June 16, 2010 at 7:03pm

Hahaha, Gaytor comes out all gun blazing. Here I was expecting one or two question posts!

Comment by Gaytor on June 16, 2010 at 9:40pm

Sadly, that's scratching the surface! Lord Jehovah, I pray that you send me your followers daily. I know that with enough discussion, they can save my soul! I just need to hear your voice through them. In your Jealous name I pray...

Comment by Matt on June 18, 2010 at 6:25am

I'll be honest, if I was a theist I would be scared shitless of Gaytor.

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