Ok so there are those against having health care for everyone in the United States.
They have it in England, Germany, France, Canada, and a whole list of others.
Of course, there are those who in those countries who do not like it. Then they just need to pay for their own coverage.

Funny thing is, having been in the insurance game the first thing you learn is that there will be someone who’ll call up and tell you they are tired of their employer’s health care plan. They are going to buy their own.
So you get their information and get them the quote.
When they find out how much a private policy will cost them, they’ll tell you, “I’ll get back to you on this..”
They found out just how much a PRIVATE PERSONAL HEALTH CARE POLICY will actually cost them.
It ain’t cheap.
They got and get sticker shock.
And you know, that Employer Paid for health care plan just doesn’t’ seem that bad now.

So let’s go one step further.
Let’s stop all this “Socialism”, “Communism”, “Liberalism”, yada yada yada.
Let’s take away Social Security and Medicare.
There is no reason why the American People nor their government should or need to pay for some elderly person’s health care nor supplement their pension.
If they didn’t save enough for their retirement then that’s THEIR PROBLEM.
If they didn’t save enough to pay for their health care when they got old then THAT’S THEIR PROBLEM.
If they had too many kids and couldn’t save then that’s THEIR PROBLEM.
In fact, their children ought to then PAY FOR THEIR HEATH CARE.

And let’s go even further.
Why should employer’s pay for their employee’s health care?
All those employee benefits, save for employee sponsored one’s are 100% TAX DEDUCTIBLE.
That mean’s those employee health and life benefits are being paid through

This needs to be stopped NOW!
The same applies for government employees.
They, like all American’s should be paying for their own health care.
Why are they sucking off the Government nipple then?
Because they work for the government?
That’s stupid. That’s a was of tax payers money.
We can cut billions across the country by cutting out government employee life, health and retirement benefits.
No where in the US Constitution nor Bill of Rights does it state that Government employees are entitled to such things.
Nor does it say our elected officials are entitled to any life, health or pension benefits. So why are the American People being burdened with this ‘Socialism?”
This is totally UN-AMERICAN and needs to be stopped NOW.

If these people complain then what they need to do is simply quit wasting their money on things they do not need. People do not need big cars or trucks. There is public transportation available. They don’t need cable TV or satellite TV, internet access, computer games and so on. They don’t need such things as beer or alcohol, pizza, soda, ice crème, candies and a whole list of things. It’s a huge long list.
They have to simply prioritize things they need to live and what they don’t need. Like braces for people teeth. There is no medical reason why a person has to have straight teeth. It is just cosmetic. Plain and simple.

So when I hear people like Glen Beck crying on TV about “Progressives”, and “Liberals’, and “Communists’ and “Socialists” he needs to actually take a leadership role. The same for the likes of Sarah Palin.
They need to go to their employer and tell them that they need to remove them from their employee benefits plan. Remove them from their employer pension plan. In fact they need to tell their employers that they need to hire them on as a contractor.

This will do two things.
The first is that the employer will no longer have to match their contribution to Social Security and Medicare payments which is about 7.5% currently. This will also reduce their Employee Benefits costs. Therefore reducing the “Back Door Socialism” that is being funded by the American Government and the American Taxpayer.
Second thing they as Americans and true believers in non-socialist forms of government will assume the full burden for their Social Security and Medicare taxes. This will be around 14% of what they earn. In addition they will be then responsible for their own health care, life insurance and retirement. The tax payer will no longer have to should this and their burden.
Now for those who have a pre-existing medical condition they will be able to get coverage under the Consolidated Omnibus Reconciliation Act or COBRA. They will be covered and will have to pay for their own health care. But as well all know this should be a personal responsibility and not a government responsibility.
So you see, we are able to free ourselves from our government nipple at any time. We the People have the ability in the United States to provide for ourselves and not rely on our government nor our fellow tax payers to do so.
Anything else is either: Socialism, Communism, Liberalism or Progressivism. And as we all know any of these things or a combination of them is not American.

So what’s your take on this?

Why yes I have been drinking....why do you ask?

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Comment by Pinko Commie on March 20, 2010 at 3:50am
I can't figure out if this is satirical or not. Eep!
Comment by Christopher Acevedo on March 20, 2010 at 5:19am
ok i understand what your staying but think about this... in USA if you own a car it is mandatory that you have insurance for your car and i think that it makes since that everyone should have insurance for your car cause you never know what could happen.. but dont you think it kinda of ridicules that we make it minatory to have insurance for you car and not your body?? i mean it seems like we care more about our cars then our body... i think it should be the law to make people save for retirement and health care not leave it up to them... because at the end of the day when people done save for the retirement it becomes societies problem whether we want it or not. im sorry but i disagreee with 95% of the stuff you are saying... as a citizen of the united states we are all responsible for each other... and lets say that ok im 20 years old and i was responsible and save for retirment and can afford private health care.. and someone else was not as responsible as me and is 30 years old with 5 kids and dont have the money for health care nor retirement... I can not stand by and watch her 5 kids who had nothing to do with there parents bad deceisons suffer with no health care... this country is 2 rich to let things like that happen... i see us as a team and we need to help and support each other like a team.
Comment by Reggie on March 20, 2010 at 10:05am
If these people complain then what they need to do is simply quit wasting their money on things they do not need. People do not need big cars or trucks. There is public transportation available. Public transport????? Socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not our fault they can't afford a car and live in a car society!
Comment by CJoe on March 20, 2010 at 11:00am
Socialism/tax-payer money pays for: The Fire Department, parks and recreation, Public Libraries, The Police Force, Public Transportation, The Military, Public School Teachers, smooth roads/highways, traffic lights, traffic signs in general... there are loads of things your taxes pay for; things that I seriously doubt you would be okay being without. Obviously, as someone who's in the military, you appreciate the fact that you're part of a force that ensures public safety. Libraries ensure the public is informed and educated. Nothing is worse than a society full of uneducated, backwater hill-billies wielding guns! (not that I'm against the Right to Bear Arms)

As Chris mentioned above, no one is railing against CAR insurance! Why are people okay sharing the risk there, but not when people's lives are at stake? And honestly, not everyone who can't afford health insurance is a lazy leach. People are being way too small-minded about how "Socialist" out country already is, and not all "Socialist" programs are bad! There are things I don't mind that my money is being spent on, least of all the well-being of a fellow human. DEATH or poor health is not the consequence we should dole out for poor life choices (most of which were made when people would too young to know better).
Comment by Reggie on March 20, 2010 at 3:07pm
I'm with Pinko in somewhat assuming this is satire. When Rick sobers up, he can clarify. ;-)
Comment by Velogiraptor on March 20, 2010 at 3:19pm
So I'm interpreting this as satire. But for argument's sake...

The highway system is socialism. (Incidentally, the highway system is the infrastructure that allowed America to prosper for so long.) The military is socialism. (We could stop funding the military and if the country is invaded or needs to take action globally, then it's really our individual faults for not funding it enough. We also know what happens when private companies are used to do the job of the military ala Blackwater. Not only is the job done in a messy way, it's more expensive, and in the case of Blackwater they try to convert everyone they meet. That amounts to a guy with a gun telling you be become a Christian or else. I wonder why they think of it as an occupation...) As for the issue of personal choice and priorities, there's only so much a person can do. If you were laid off from you job and there's no socialist unemployment check to help you out, then the person has no way to pay for medical care. If they have a savings, then they might be able to pay for it for a while, but only preventative care. Say that person doesn't get a checkup and is not diagnosed with the cancer they didn't know they had. Now the cancer progresses and they become less likely to live. Say they DID get diagnosed but can not afford treatment or the (as you acknowledge) exorbinent cost of private insurance. Now they die because they can not pay the unplanned expense of surgery or chemo. Back to the military, why don't we just make sure that they buy all of their own equipment. The ones who had the foresight to buy the right armored car will live when the IED goes off, but the ones who couldn't afford such a vehicle will die. The argument based purely on personal choice ends up relying on everyone making enough money to afford everything. We can't all make 60k a year in order to be able to pay for private plans. If they did, the plans would just cost more. The primary advantage of some things being socialized is that they are non-profit and guaranteed. It's the same idea behind my helping someone who's fallen and broken their leg, rather than walking by and telling them that breaking their leg was just a bad personal decision and that it should be a powerful lesson to them.
Comment by Shasta McNasty on March 20, 2010 at 3:24pm
For someone who has "been in the insurance game" you seem to lack understanding on why healthcare has become an issue.
First off you admit private insurance is expensive:

"When they find out how much a private policy will cost them, they’ll tell you, “I’ll get back to you on this..”
They found out just how much a PRIVATE PERSONAL HEALTH CARE POLICY will actually cost them.
It ain’t cheap."

Your answer to private healthcare being too expensive is to put everyone on private healthcare? Insurance companies have made a name for themselves being dishonest and shifty. That's why people have gotten fed up with them. Don't get me wrong, as a self proclaimed anarchist, i don't think the government, as it stands, should even exists. But i also can distinguish my ideals from reality. And reality is, either way on the healthcare debate, people are in danger of being screwed with unfairly. The government cares about power. The president and administration care about passing this to make a name for themselves, and the insurance companies care about money. I don't think any of these "power players" actually care about the people. They all have their own interests at heart.
That being said, your solution doesn't really change anything. Instead of everyone being screwed by the government, you'd rather them get screwed by a private entity that has no accountability to voters(like the federal reserve, lulz, i crack myself up)? Your answer to "socialism" and "liberalism" is a corporatocracy?
Comment by Rick on March 21, 2010 at 12:38am
I was being satirical. Yes I did sell insurance at one time. And I saw a lot of things that really changed my mind about it.
As for what we have in the US now, this is how I feel in a nutshell:
Our "leaders" have spent well over 1.1 Trillion Dollars in Iraq and in the Afghan.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Nor did they have WMD's.
It's time we put the American people first.
A national health care plan is something that we should have had years ago.
It works very well in other countries.
Yes you will have people complain but they always do.
And from my experience in insurance, if they have to pay for it out of their pockets and not let their employer foot the bill, they'll faint when they find out exactly how much a private personal health care plan actually costs.
In fact, if you actually take a step back and look at various employee benefits, it is in reality a "privatized" form of socialism.
If employee benefits were not 100% tax deductible, people wouldn't have them.
So looking at it from the stand point of privatized or public "socialism" it is still a form of socialism.
You still have private or government employees being a pain in the ass. You have HMO's denying people treatment. Not just HMO's but insurance companies as well.
In fact, if you come to the US and have never paid into Social Security, you can actually pay for Medicare. It costs a bundle.
You see, health insurance is based on your age, your zip code, your health, your lifestyle and a few other factors.
Let me give you an example. A friend of mine retired a few years ago as a policemen here in Texas. His cost for continuing his health care for the first year was $100 a month. The second year it went up to $200 a month. On the third year it jumped to $500 a month. That's $6,000 a year.
Now imagine if your say 62. It's gonna cost you a bundle. Even with say a $5,000 deductible it's gonna cost you a lot.
And having just lost someone due to combination of a bad doctor and an HMO, it makes me angry.
It doesn't have to be this way. In fact it shouldn't be this way.
A few weeks ago I was in a tour group. One of the people was originally from Germany who now lives in Canada. Most were Americans. Most were against any national health care.
The German gentlemen asked what happens if someone gets sick and they don't have any coverage? The answers her got just shocked him.
It wasn't "human" to treat someone that way in his eyes.
It's not.
But we do.
So when I hear these individuals like Palin or Beck yammer on, I know that they are getting "special" treatment. Treatment that not everyone gets.
So if people actually want to know what it costs to get a private health care plan, call an agent up and ask them for a quote.
As I've written before, you need to be sitting down when you get the prices.
Then call up the IRS and see how much of that cost you are allowed to take off your taxes.
And remember, just because it is a tax write off, it doesn't mean that you will have the money to make the payments on the monthly premium.
All we have to do is take Medicare and make it available for everyone. Or even Medicaid. To pay for it we have a national sales tax and have by law, that that money can only be spent on health care. Nothing else. If there is extra money then it is put in a savings account for when there might be a short fall.
Other modern industrial nations can do it and have been doing it for decades.
It's time we did.
Comment by Rev. Tom Hicks, D.D. on March 21, 2010 at 2:48am
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