**Update** Well ladies and gents, I have some pretty interesting news. The y.pastor hasn't even read the book yet. He was hoping that we would all read it at the same time & then discuss it. (It really silly to recommend a "good book" without actually reading it first-though, this is what they do with their Bible every day) He has also stated that his goal is not to convert me but to have an open discussion and that he does have questions for me (I'm assuming "how do you believe life got here" sort of stuff) If he is sincere about not wanting to convert me, this should be an interesting dialogue.

I've recommended that if he really wants to discuss the book, we should break it down into sections and have multiple discussions like a book club of sorts. This would make it easier to discuss the topics layed out in the book:absolute vs. Relative truth, morality, evolution vs. Id, & the new testatment (the authors seem to steer away from talking of the ot but like to cherrypick their verses from it)

I'm waiting to hear back & see if everyone wants to do it that way...this book is like 400 freaking pages and I don't want to have to speed read lol :)

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(Writing this from my phone so please excuse grammer and what not.)

Last night, I received a text from my best friend Katie*. (She was raised Catholic but is hanging onto her faith in the form of non-denominational mega churches.) Well, her fiance's brother (Jim) is a youth pastor and has apparently gotten wind that I am atheist. *cue creepy music* In the text, Katie tells me that Jim has a book for me and her to read and would "like to have a discussion" about it. The book? I don't Have Enough Faith To Be an Atheist.

First of all, I'm wondering about his motive. If he would like to discuss the book with someone of a different opinion, then I'm down. If he wants to pray over my head and hope to convert me to Christianity, then he is sadly fooled. I think the conversation he'd like to have with me can be done without reading that silly book.

Secondly, even the title of the book makes me think the author is full of shit and this book isn't meant for atheists but for people who are already slaves to their faith. I did a little bit of research on the book yesterday and as expected, its the same ole Christian nonsense. (Has anyone read it?)

As of now, I'm waiting to here back on a motive. I don't think he knows what he's getting himself into. I'm not the smartest person but I'm far from undereducated. Maybe I should warn him that I bring notes and credited sources! Lol

I'm also thinking of just telling him that we can have a friendly debate without the use of the above book. However, Id love to allow him to bring his own Bible and Ill bring mine...I've got a few questions for him LOL

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Comment by Lee Symes on July 8, 2011 at 10:21am
See if, while your reading her suggested book, she will read a book suggested by you.  I would recommend god is not great, or A Letter to a Christian Nation.

If she says yes go for it.  Read both books in parallel discussion each chapter at a time.
Comment by Scarlette Blues on July 8, 2011 at 10:35am
I had thought about that but not reading them parallel. Thanks for a great idea!
Comment by Bailey Shoemaker Richards on July 8, 2011 at 10:38am

I recently had a similar experience. I'm out as an atheist to my family and on Facebook, and it's clearly bothering my aunt. For my college graduation gift, she got me an engraved Bible, a book by C. S. Lewis (Mere Christianity) and Lee Strobel's Case for Christ. In each one, she wrote a little note about my "search for Truth" and how she hopes I "find Him" at the end of it. 

 

The motive, I think, in both our situations is probably close to the same. It's a (maybe) well-intentioned but passive-aggressive attack on the fact that we don't share their faith and it's threatening to them. 

 

I know in the case of my family, they assume that "it's a phase" or I'm "closed-minded" and "haven't considered the evidence." They think if they send me the right links or give me the right books I'll say, "D'oh! You were right ALL ALONG. This book by Lee Strobel that almost every Christian I've argued with brings up without having read it themselves has now convinced me because you gave it to me as a gift. Never mind that none of the 'evidence' in any of these books ever stacks up against reality. Let's go to church." 

 

Gag. 

 

It can't hurt to read the book, in all honesty. I read anything and everything I can get my hands on, including Christian and Muslim apologetics. Generally speaking, they range from hilarious misrepresentations of their own positions as well as what it means to be an atheist to horribly offensive conjectures about the sad, depressing lives we all must lead without Jebus/Allah. 

Comment by Kenneth Montville D.D. on July 8, 2011 at 10:52am
My suggestion: Read the book, take extensive notes, and then rip the arguments to shreds in your "discussion" with Mr. Youth Pastor.
Comment by Scarlette Blues on July 8, 2011 at 11:13am
@Bailey- I thought the same thing. Is he actually expecting me to bow down after reading this one book? Its almost insulting that he may think I haven't taken the time to do my own research. If their own holy book didn't work to keep me a Christian, what makes him think this one author can do the trick.

Lol, it makes me wish Fred Phelps would publish a book and make a case for his church's teachings. That's be the perfect return gift!

@Kenneth- That's my plan. I also plan to bring up some hard philisophical & moral questions, as well. Wouldn't it be funny if his plan backfires & my friend hops to the atheist side of the fence?
Comment by Alice Browne on July 8, 2011 at 11:41am
I like the idea of taking notes. Maybe use color-coded highlighters to break the text down into categories like "baseless assumptions" or "appeals to emotion" or "complete bloody nonsense".
Comment by Daniel Clear on July 8, 2011 at 12:10pm

I'd be inclined to decline. this would be seen as an admission of defeat I'm sure but I don't know if there's anything to be gained.

 

I once tried to appease someone who did a similar thing. not with religion but something very similar, a book by David Icke (for non-UK residents, he was a sports presenter who suddenly became the messiah then discovered he wasn't but was on a mission from some good aliens to help rid the world of bad aliens/lizard-people/jews, i forget now).

 

The trouble was twofold. firstly, after reading less than one chapter I'd had enough. it was, to use that lovely turn of phrase, "not even wrong" it was so bad. the guy who lent it to me was utterly deluded also and any attempt to engage with him was destroyed by his constantly jumping from one position to another, even arguing against his own points yet unaware he was doing it and that my questioning his logic was taken as twisting his words.

 

My point is, go for it if you're up for the challenge but beware of looking back one day and realising you gave up some of your own precious time to humour a wannabe converter who will have no idea whatsoever that his argument has been destroyed.

 

As for the book title, I like it. If a believer (who by nature has faith to move mountains in their own little minds) thinks they lack the faith of an atheist just tell them to try harder

Comment by Michael Marrero on July 8, 2011 at 12:35pm
I wouldn't debate him at all. You shouldn't have to explain yourself to anyone let alone to a person trying to convince you that you are wrong simply because you're an Atheist. You can debate with him all you want he will still spew illogical nonsense from his holy book. Youth pastors are especially difficult to reason with. They believe it is their duty to indoctrinate others.
Comment by sukhdeep on July 8, 2011 at 6:19pm
i saw a video/debate over here a while ago, which suggested about, asking him what his beliefs are and tell them to you. that will make him think before he opens his mouth, and u and ur friend may get a kick out of it........
Comment by kris feenstra on July 8, 2011 at 6:32pm
It seems to all be available on google books here, for anyone who is curious.

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