If there was real separation of church and state there would be: 

  1. No crosses on public roads and public highways
  2. No "In God We Trust" on the currency
  3. No "Under God" in pledge of allegiance
  4. No "Acts of God" in the books of law
  5. No taking oath to public office in name of god, or on the bible
  6. No adding of god to the party agendas
  7. No "In God We Trust" license plates issued for free on tax payers dime
  8. No laws banning atheists/infidels taking public office
  9. No national day of prayer
  10. No faith based partnerships
  11. No 10 commandments in public schools, public offices, courts
  12. No prayers at the graduation ceremonies at public schools 
  13. No passing of resolutions and proclamations by government for prayer 

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Comment by Steven Dorst on September 23, 2012 at 6:37pm

Add: No "National Prayer Breakfast" - or at least not one attended by ANY elected officials!

Comment by matt.clerke on September 23, 2012 at 7:24pm

Steven I think you may of missed the point. An elected official should be free to go to prayer meetings. Separation of church and state is about giving everyone the freedom to do what they like.

Comment by atheistrising on September 23, 2012 at 8:08pm

I agree with matt people should be free to do what they want but don't use the state resources in a partial way.

Comment by Steven Dorst on September 23, 2012 at 8:36pm
Good point. O k. Change "attended" to "sponsored". Better?
Comment by Byrnes Steel on September 24, 2012 at 12:39am
Cool thing happened in Australia in the last week. A politician said that gay marriage would lead no bestiality and polygamy, and then he got fired from the party. Cory Bernardi, and he was in the more Conservative party over here, the liberals. Pretty much got nationally shunned by everyone
Comment by James Cox on September 24, 2012 at 1:28am

Such an agenda surely could set off the theists, allowing them to make a claim for repression, making it stick would be another problem.

I still partly remember my HS graduation. After all the hoopla, another student walked up to me and suggested that, 'I bet the mention of god was a little upsetting to you?' No really! I was happy to get out of the place! 

Comment by Dale Headley on September 24, 2012 at 2:25pm

How about no administering of an oath before God prior to testifying in court?  I once, in fact, forewarned the judge before I testified in a trial that I would NOT swear an oath on the Bible.  He accommodated me, albeit reluctantly.  The point is that a religious oath is a blatant violation of the Constitution and should not, under any circumstances, be a part of a secular, governmental function. 

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on September 24, 2012 at 2:55pm

One aspect of the American system that bothers me is the overt attention given to candidates' religious beliefs during televised debates.  I think it would be wrong to ban the media/debate moderators from asking such things, but I find it incredibly bizarre just how much focus is given to religion in politics down there.

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on September 24, 2012 at 3:24pm

I'm mostly looking at it from the perspective of Canadian debates.  The politicians here spew their rhetorical ideals on education, the economy, and perhaps our role in Afghanistan - I've never heard any of them discuss whether or not the earth was 6,000 years old.


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