I'm an immoral believer in nothing? Jerks.

Being treated as if I believe in nothing and considered immoral because I’m an atheist is frustrating, but it really shows me who’s paying attention, who’s arrogant, and who’s clueless about reality.

Piers Anthony wrote about a kind of atheist in “On A Pale Horse,” completely misrepresenting atheism if his logic were applied to the real world, though it made sense in his fictional world of magic and magical beings. I think this is a common mistake people make about atheism and atheists. The stigma or label appears to tell people that atheists are atheists no matter what, whether the proof of gods exist or not, dogmatically insisting there is no god even if a god proved she existed.

Apparently, the idea that atheists believe in nothing is so common that there are even some atheists that believe this nonsense. “Atheist” speaks to only one supernatural aspect involving deities. Other, broader definitions that include distheists, anti-theists, agnostics, which have the common denominator of no proof of a god’s existence, can be included in this, but just because an atheist sees no evidence your god is real does not mean that an atheist has no belief in anything at all.

So, someone saying atheists are immoral people that don’t believe in anything demonstrates a common mean spirited attack on something they do not understand or are too bigoted to care.

Anyway, that's my rant.

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Comment by CJoe on December 1, 2012 at 3:02pm

It's a major straw-man, isn't it? I was having a debate with a Christian recently... then just threw my hands up when she basically told me that my intentions and intellectual honesty didn't matter. She was sure Nazis were being honest in their belief they were superior to all other races, but they still deserved Hell. Like... wow... so I'm as bad as a Nazi, even if I've never committed or endorsed genocide? Oh right. We're all sinners, and our actions aren't really what matter... only that we blindly believe in a murderous god. Cool.

Comment by _Robert_ on December 1, 2012 at 3:34pm

Christians are often historically challenged.

During WWII the catholic country called Slovakia had a Roman Catholic bishop as head of state. They struck a deal and sold their own Jewish citizens to Nazi Germany for slave labor. Of course, any Jews that could not work were immediately murdered.

The mostly atheist country of Denmark was the ONLY nation that actively sought to protect their Jewish citizens at great risk to their own safety.

Hitler was a catholic, and the Nazi's immediately made pacts with the complicit catholic church. Fascism (national socialism) originated in the two most catholic nations, Spain and Italy. Japan worshiped their King as a god.

When people attribute Nazism to atheism, I can only walk away.

Comment by Ronald Pyatt on December 1, 2012 at 7:18pm

The sad part is that so many of them start from this position and assume that atheists are the type that just don't care about anything. 

If xtians only put it together that they're actually celebrating the birth of murderous god we might see a little more sense. (I know some of them have put it together, but those nut-jobs are rejoicing in the murderer.)

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on December 1, 2012 at 7:45pm

I have a long list… but am to chilled out today to start a rant. So I will just say on of the things that annoys me most is the assumption that Atheists deny the existence of gods rather than just not believe that they exist. And no I am not angry with your god either.

As for the Nazi argument once again Hitchens. Please remember to remind Theists of his words.

Comment by Ronald Pyatt on December 1, 2012 at 11:04pm

From strangers, it's easy to see how they how the uninformed can view an atheist as immoral since a stranger can brush it away as someone being an inhuman caricature. But friends and family that know you, shared good times, helped, grieved, and pretty much had bonds of steel, should know better. It's like their Christian brains check their coat at the reason rack and dine on idiot soup.

Comment by Sagacious Hawk on December 1, 2012 at 11:20pm

@ Cara

According to Godwin's Law... you won that argument.

Comment by Emperor Milos on December 2, 2012 at 8:07am

I asked a theist to explain his reasoning for atheists believing in nothing. The reply was along these lines:

If you don't believe in god, then there is nothing left to believe in, since god made everything. So, if you don't believe in god, you believe in nothing."

To them, god is everything, and they can't imagine a world without the need for god. So, to them, not believing in god = believing in nothing.

Comment by Tiffany Willoughby on December 2, 2012 at 10:06am

i know what you mean. i understand completely. but tell them to fuck off your life is your business. tell them they need to stop being so nosy and listen to that book of fairy tales they go by that says to worry about yourself first before everybody else. get the beam out of your own eye. you dont have to proove yourself to nobody, especially a fuckin christian.

how bout this. their bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. it says all which means them too. it says to get the beam out of your own eye. their going to hell and all their concerned about is what everybody else is doing.

im sorry, but i really cant stand arrogant christians, as you can probally tell.

Comment by Melvinotis on December 2, 2012 at 12:41pm

Though all of the comments regarding this thread are great, I'm afraid you've done the equivalent of citing an Onion headline as something to get up in arms about.

The author cited, Piers Anthony, is an Atheist writer and might be the equivalent of an Atheist J.K. Rowling. I have read On A Pale Horse several times, and the entire 7 book series all the way through at least twice. 

His reference to atheism is most probably a poke of fun at himself. The series Incarnations of Eternity gives humans the "jobs" of Death, Time, Earth Mother, Fate, War, Satan and even God. I would recommend his books especially to young adults because he does a fantastic job skewering and discussing the inconsistencies and fallacies ascribed to those who are given the authorities and abilities of gods. 

His books are fun reads, he loves puns and is a champion for human rights through his many, many books.

More adult readers would like his God of Tarot series, which also twists adherents into truly following their various rules and creeds. 

Piers Anthony was probably the first writer to expose me to rational, skeptical thinking, and he does this in a thoroughly entertaining way. My son hated reading, so on his 14th birthday, I bought him On A Pale Horse, and he read through the entire series within about three months. He demanded that I buy him the books, this kid who couldn't stand reading. Back when I first encountered them, Piers was still writing them, so I had to wait up to two years between books. 

So again, all the comments on this thread--good, but don't throw Piers Anthony under the bus, he's a good guy.

All of my book references come through the ThinkAtheist Radio link, so don't forget to use that if you want to buy the books.

Cheers

Comment by Strega on December 2, 2012 at 1:29pm

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