Comment by jen o on May 29, 2009 at 8:10pm

I haven't had any experiences like that, the closest I have ever come to it is living in a haunted house and not knowing it was 'haunted'. I always felt so much fear and a heaviness there that I couldn't explain then as soon as we moved away, my husband told me all of the stories about the house and it kinda made sense to what I was feeling. But I was completely unaware of any of the stories while I lived there and felt the 'darkeness'. Kinda spooky I guess.

And I read somewhere in a Zen book I thought I would share, it kind of goes with what you were talking about.

"It is easy to believe when thousands of people follow the same beliefs, but would we have the courage to believe if we woke up tomorrow and everyone believed differently? This is true belief-to believe what we do because it is reallywhat we believe."

Comment by Matthew on May 29, 2009 at 8:11pm

I don't believe in the soul or ghosts for all the reasons you said people shouldn't believe in god. I think that ghosts and "paranormal" activity is often something that either can be explained (just not by the person experiencing it), or perhaps can't be explained yet (which doesn't make it a ghost or paranormal). I see no harm in believing in them...it certainly won't drive you to war (would it).

My sisters insist they experienced a spirit in my grandfather's house when we stayed there after his funeral. A week later, bats were found in the attic and in the room they were staying in. They still insist that it couldn't have been a bat. My sisters are smart...very smart. And none of them are religious at all. They define themselves as "spiritual." But their experience was so convincing to them that the bats are still "spirits" in their minds. Fine. Weird, and in my opinion wrong. But fine. It's not harming anyone. I just think it's silly.

So I guess I don't believe in them because there is no verifiable evidence. But I don't really judge people for believing in things like that the way I sometimes judge people for believing in god and organized religion.

Comment by Atheist Ninja on May 29, 2009 at 8:50pm

I don't believe in any consciousness separate from the body. I've never had any reason to.

Comment by jen o on May 29, 2009 at 8:57pm

What about dimensions that we cannot see? Could that explain some of the phenomena?

Comment by Frink on May 29, 2009 at 9:01pm

I find it convenient that ghosts and hauntings seem to simply vanish when subjected to closer inspection. Too convenient.

Comment by Aric on May 29, 2009 at 9:12pm

Jen, I think that extradimensional beings are too Doctor Who-esque to be considered plausible.

Comment by jen o on May 29, 2009 at 9:24pm

I've never watched Doctor Who. I don't know anything about different dimensions, I thought someone that did would reply about it and compare for me....how about you?

Comment by Atheist Ninja on May 29, 2009 at 9:30pm

Well exactly what phenomena would you be trying to explain Jen? I'm not really sure I could see how dimensions beyond what we're able to comprehend could explain a "bump in the night" or some mysterious encounter with dead spirits.

Comment by jen o on May 29, 2009 at 9:32pm

I dunno really. Just asking questions. I haven't ever had anything like that happen to me really. I am just curious. Maybe what I want to know more of is, can dimensions run together, exist in the same place as ours but we cannot see it? Is that a dumb question : /

Comment by Alice D. on May 29, 2009 at 9:41pm

I truly thing a lot of this can't be explained either.. just like past life regression, out of body experiences, and there is equipment out there that measure ghostly activity. The movie White Noise is a good show, but watch the special features first, the movie is set up to a scary thriller but the real explanations to it all is on mentioned in the features section.

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