God is the one that puts right and wrong into beings flying around fire in the giant black hostile space. Poetry runs out of the hands of the life made in His image.  No matter what religion you belong to you have to face the fact that you also belong to one family of humans on one rock. I could never make someone believe in Jesus Christ and accept the forgivness given by Him from God HImself. I believe strongly though that we humans all need forgiveness from God because we offend Him. The Good News is, through a personal relationship...NOT RELIGION, but through a relationship and active dialouge with Jesus Christ you can approach God! You can! Indeed there are Christians that no body ever knew except God.

For the record, Christian is wrongly defined in the dictionary. Yes its true.

Youll find in the bible which is the writen basis of the Christian faith, that when a person accepts Jesus Christ into their lives they become saved.

Religion means a set of rituals based on a set of beliefs

Letting Jesus in your heart is not a ritual therefore being born again into Gods Kingdom is not a religion either.

Dont get me wrong, I am religious, I am pentecostal, but that is not what makes me a follower of Jesus Christ. What makes me a follower of Jesus, is Jesus and my personal relationship to Him,  not the things I do in His name.

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Comment by Bryan B on January 31, 2011 at 10:30pm
Read my mind Ava "I believe strongly though that we humans all need forgiveness from God because we offend Him" makes me think "Screw you God, I happen to be a pretty good person and confident enough to not need your opinion" Goes back to  orginal sin, a direct attack on self-esteem. Not much better than a bully.
Comment by Eoganacht on January 31, 2011 at 11:31pm

Poetry runs out of the hands of the life made in His image.

 

Answer me this: does your god have a laryngeal nerve that goes from the brain, wraps around his aorta near the heart - one of the largest arteries in his body - and then returns back up to his larynx?

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on February 1, 2011 at 6:53am

A personal relationship with Jesus is great. I am happy for you.

I have never met a Pentecostal person before. I have so many questions. How else is it different to Christianity? It must be great not having any of the ritual of those organised religions. So you don’t have to attend church at the same time every week with other people having who also have personal relationships? You don’t have to pray everyday or read the bible everyday like other people who have ritual habits to follow? Do other people with personal relationships get jealous if Jesus gives them more attention? How exactly does that work? Jesus is just brilliant the way he can manage his time like that.

Could you please tell me what accent he speaks in when he talks with you? What kinds of things do you both discuss? Will this relationship continue when you reach adulthood?

I agree with you that we are all one race of humans on one rock. We are all the same and should be treated equally. Could you please explain what it is we have done to offend Jesus and why we need forgiveness?

I look forward to you answers. Must go now a flip some pancakes for breakfast.

Comment by Allen Sneed on February 1, 2011 at 9:11am

Why would an all powerful god need to have his son tortured and killed before he could forgive his creation for a sin committed by their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great... you see where I'm going with this ... grandparents?

 

And why would an all knowing god create the first humans without the knowledge of right and wrong and then punish them and billions of their descendants for their original sin?

 

And why would an all loving god condemn his own children to an eternity of torment simply for not worshiping him? Why not poof them out of existence? Why the torture? Is a being capable of condemning anyone to eternal torture really worthy of worship? My answer is FUCK NO!

 

Your god offends me. You can have your personal relationship with the ubernazi sky bully. I'd rather suffer an eternity in hell than praise something as evil and disgusting as your god.

Comment by CJoe on February 1, 2011 at 2:20pm

Derick, please take a moment to read the Debate Guidelines. What you are doing is proselytizing, and that is not welcome on this site. You are free to engage in debate, but you cannot "witness" to, or attempt to bring members to "salvation", or convert them to your belief system by inviting Jesus (or whatever other demi-god/deity) into their heart. This is not a discussion; you did not ask for input, nor are you open to it. It is a blatant attempt to win converts.

 

Please do not post anything of this nature on Think Atheist again. Thank you.

Comment by Jonel Burge on February 1, 2011 at 4:14pm

Yeah, he won't be back.

Of course, the downside to this is he's probably very smug in real life, probably even went back to his church, shared with his buddies, "I posted on an atheist forum and converted people by telling them the TRUTH!"

Newsflash: Christians don't know truth. They're allergic to it.

Comment by Laura Foster on February 1, 2011 at 6:31pm

You know, I've heard the same wording all my life; the "personal relationship with God" and the "letting Jesus into your heart".  The thing is, I don't get it.  I'm guessing the words are hard to come by, since people just keep repeating these particular phrases.

 

So, lemme ask ya.  What exactly does "letting Jesus in your heart" mean?  Does it mean loving Jesus?  I can do that the way I love my fellow humankind, I suppose, but beyond that, I never met the guy.  Does it mean just saying, "Hey Jesus, come into my heart?"  Because I did that when I was eight, and back then they told me that I'd be set for life if I did that.  I know a good insurance policy when I see one, and I even did when I was eight.  

 

Does it mean living as Jesus lived?  Well I can't do that I'm afraid.  See, I was born to regular human beings who had sex in order to make me.  I was born in a hospital, not a stable, and I'm a shitty carpenter.  I can't turn bread and fish into more bread and more fish, and my vintning skillz are lax at best.  I never cursed a fruit tree for not being in season.  I never rounded up a dozen guys and walked around in the Middle East barefoot, healing cripples or preventing stonings.  As a matter of fact, by the time Jesus was my age, he'd been dead a couple years.  So, how am I supposed to live like Jesus?  Jesus never even made it to my age, and it's not like I'm very old.

 

Does it mean following the example of what's written in the Bible?  Because here, you're going to have to help me out.  Which part of the Bible is "outdated" or "mistranslated", and which part is the part we should be following?  And how do you know?  Because I can't, for example, stop working for a living, because that's what enables us to eat and have heating oil.  I don't suppose they needed heating oil in first-century Judea.  I really don't want my husband to have to marry my sisters, as they're already married, and we totally don't have room

Comment by Laura Foster on February 1, 2011 at 6:34pm
(cont.)...for more concubines. Can you imagine all the laundry I'd have to do? And who's going to pay for the energy to heat all that hot water?

So if you, or your pastor if he's more up to the task, could really explain just what "Let Jesus in your heart" MEANS, then perhaps I'd have an easier time of it. Looking forward to an answer.
Comment by miked420 on February 2, 2011 at 1:40am
The promise of free will is illusory. Believe AND worship... or burn in hell. Rather coercive... No? Under the American legal system, a contract between A and B will be voidable if A held a gun to B''s head and forced him to agree to its terms. That sort of situation is the antithesis of the principle upon which contract law is based - freedom to contract. It's fascinating how so many individuals fail to see this inherent contradiction encompassed within the notion of god-granted free will.
Comment by Gregor Basić on February 2, 2011 at 6:38am
Catholic priest Oliver O'Grady forced his penis in to a vagina of nine months old baby and caused vaginal scaring, then he went to a higher priest and asked for forgiveness. Now... please, explain how that in anyway has helped anyone?

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