God is the one that puts right and wrong into beings flying around fire in the giant black hostile space. Poetry runs out of the hands of the life made in His image.  No matter what religion you belong to you have to face the fact that you also belong to one family of humans on one rock. I could never make someone believe in Jesus Christ and accept the forgivness given by Him from God HImself. I believe strongly though that we humans all need forgiveness from God because we offend Him. The Good News is, through a personal relationship...NOT RELIGION, but through a relationship and active dialouge with Jesus Christ you can approach God! You can! Indeed there are Christians that no body ever knew except God.

For the record, Christian is wrongly defined in the dictionary. Yes its true.

Youll find in the bible which is the writen basis of the Christian faith, that when a person accepts Jesus Christ into their lives they become saved.

Religion means a set of rituals based on a set of beliefs

Letting Jesus in your heart is not a ritual therefore being born again into Gods Kingdom is not a religion either.

Dont get me wrong, I am religious, I am pentecostal, but that is not what makes me a follower of Jesus Christ. What makes me a follower of Jesus, is Jesus and my personal relationship to Him,  not the things I do in His name.

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Comment by Becca on January 31, 2011 at 10:29am
Yes I totally want a personal relationship with god that is offended by me even though he was the one who created me in the first place and oh yeah even better yet he wants to forgive me for my offense! Makes total sense!
Comment by Hope on January 31, 2011 at 10:49am

christians, umm, I like their cute aramaic prayers.... but the trinity dose not make any sense...

Comment by Ben on January 31, 2011 at 12:55pm
Read the old testament. You god is a murderer. He creates and then destroys for his own pleasure.
Comment by Ben on January 31, 2011 at 12:57pm

My bet is that this guy won't be back. He just wants to post and run.


Comment by Jon Heim on January 31, 2011 at 1:51pm
I refuse to let religion cut me, just so they can sell me a band aid.
Comment by Loop Johnny on January 31, 2011 at 3:03pm
Actually, I like the poetry. Keep it up and always seek the truth.
Comment by Ava Wilson on January 31, 2011 at 3:35pm
I love how we should be grateful and ask for forgiveness because "we offend him", when he's supposed to be responsible for our existence to begin with. "We offend him" offends me. Also, high-fives for doone.
Comment by Ben on January 31, 2011 at 4:35pm

"Letting Jesus in your heart is not a ritual therefore being born again into Gods Kingdom is not a religion either"

Too late for me, I already let Charlie the Unicorn into my heart.


Comment by Mr Good Without God on January 31, 2011 at 5:32pm

It's hard to say when this phrase became popular among Christians. According to Gregory Kouki of the radio show Stand to Reason, "this slogan has been a rallying cry of 1970s and 80s evangelicalism.” You can read blog posts on it, watch Christians on YouTube recycling it, you can even buy bumpers stickers proclaiming it. You'll notice right away what is wrong with this statement. The opposite is closer to the truth.

It is a religion

A relationship with God requires the framework of religion to define the nature of that relationship. Put another way, Christians think that they can develop personal relationships with God because of religion. Religion promotes the idea of a relationship with a personal God. Religion teaches what that relationship will be like. Religion reinforces the concept that God communicates directly to you. Religion encourages evangelism and indoctrination. A relationship with God without the framework of religion is meaningless. One begets the other.

This statement, like other specious arguments, is vague and packed with equivocation. D. Q. McInerny, author of Being Logical: A Guide to Good Thinking, warns against the use of vague and ambiguous words, "not because they have no meaning, but because they are especially rich in meaning”. Notice here how religion is used equivocally. It's defined incompletely as dressing up, going to church, singing hymns, and listening to a sermon. These activities are subsumed under religion, certainly. But that definition leaves out important features of religion that would make the validity of the statement harder to justify.

It's not a real relationship

Not in the sense that they mean. A positive statement about a relationship with God presumes God's existence. Christians need to give evidence for God before they assert that one can have a relationship with him. Resorting to personal experience doesn't count. Neither does using scripture as a source of evidence.

Even when I allow the possibility that there is a creator, that only gets me from atheism to deism. How can a Christian get from a deistic worldview to a theistic worldview without retreating to personal experience, circular logic, or a belief void of evidence?

It's time to move on

Christians should dump this tired, stupid phrase from their repertoire of one-liners. It weakens their credibility and the statement is false. It is about religion. Christians should concede that the statement is bunk and that they're playing games with words.




Comment by Mr Good Without God on January 31, 2011 at 5:36pm

"Youll find in the bible which is the writen basis of the Christian faith, that when a person accepts Jesus Christ into their lives they become saved."


Unless you have committed the only unforgivable sin and blasphemed the holy spirit that is:


  • Mark 3:28-30: “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.
  • Matthew 12:30-32: “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
  • Luke 12:8-10: “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
  • Hebrews 6:4-8: “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case — the things that have to do with salvation.
  • Hebrews 10:26-29: “For we, sinning wilfully after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and fiery zeal about to consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think those deserve to be punished who have trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has considered as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who have insulted the Spirit of grace?



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