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Every once in a while you read something that makes you seethe.

In a generous display of clemency a woman from Norway is being pardoned by Dubai for being raped.  How special.  What generosity!  What mercy!

Actually, shitheads, you are doing what you should have done in the first place, what should have been the default which is not to hold someone responsible for an act they did not commit.

This woman was the victim of a thug, and can bear no guilt for something he did.  It's a basic principle of ethics that you can only be held morally responsible for things you have control over, yet someone else rapes this woman and she is guilty of sex outside of marriage.  Even if I were to concede that this is a crime (and it's not) she didn't choose to commit it.

Oh I forgot.  Women are to be held responsible for every out-of-control-with-lust male they encounter; they provoked it.  I am not sure if that attitude is more insulting to the woman or the man.  Though frankly it makes no difference.  You are fucked up beyond belief to think this way.

This sort of thing is why the West thinks Arabia is a primitive shithole; even an affluent country like yours acts like a bunch of tribal barbarians.

Maybe your peninsula will eventually catch up to the nineteenth century some day.  Too much to hope it will ever be worthy of the twenty first.

PS CNN covered this, Fox did not (though one would think Fox would cover bad stuff about the Islamic areas of the world).  It pays to check out both sites (especially when Fox covers stuff CNN won't touch).

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Tags: Islam, Misogyny, Sharia, law

Comment by Unseen on July 23, 2013 at 1:00pm

Yeah, kind of reminds me of what happened to me once at the management office of an apartment building I used to live in.

I dropped by the office and paid my rent a few days ahead of time. 

A few days after the due date, I got a message envelope on my door stating that since I had turned in my rent late, they were due an additional $40 late fee. I went to the office and told them I had been on time and that I wasn't in a mood to pay $40 because my check had been misplaced for a week.

The manager, in an act of magnanimity (which I apparently was supposed to grateful for) said he'd waive the fee "this time." I said, "Actually, while you are feeling generous you are actually insulting me because you are presuming I just lied to you about turning my rent in on time."

Okay, so maybe it's not an exact parallel. 

Comment by Unseen on July 23, 2013 at 1:27pm

I lived there for 10 years, always on time with my rent, you think that alone might have lent some credibility to my plea. 

Sorry about the boomerang. ;)

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on July 23, 2013 at 1:41pm

....and every so often something comes along to take the edge of the anger....Malala for the Nobel Peace Prize?

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on July 23, 2013 at 3:40pm

No missed that one Arch. I think she is doing fine just where she is. Here is her UN address on her 16th birthday.

Comment by Kairan Nierde on July 24, 2013 at 1:39am

The mentality that a woman is responsible for the actions of a man who chooses to rape her is not unique to the Middle East. It is part of the reason rape trials and convictions are pathetically low in America. I know several people who immediately accuse a rape survivor of asking for it if she wore attractive clothes, walked alone in an isolated place, or trusted a friend/family member. 

I find this mentality not just dangerous for women but degrading for men. Men make a great many decisions about incredibly important or complex problems. When else do we excuse men from the responsibility of behaving like a rational, moral adult? Men don't need to be protected from women's attractiveness when they are capable of regulating themselves. Men aren't "boys" or wild hormonal beasts. Give men some credit. end rant. 

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on July 24, 2013 at 3:04pm

Don't go to Dubai.

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on July 24, 2013 at 4:05pm

A good sign.

I remember the social effect that rock lyrics during the Vietnam war had in ending that war.

I think eventually all cultures are going to have to solve their problems from within.

Comment by SteveInCO on July 24, 2013 at 9:06pm

Kairan and Belle:  As bad as it often is in the US when there is no physical evidence, at least the woman doesn't get charged with a crime, especially not once the fact that the rape occurred is established, and there are plenty of people who would rightly find such to be absurd.  (The most she could get charged for is making a false accusation.)

This sort of thing is apparently the norm over there.  Rape appears to be a non-concept or not a crime, or maybe it's an offense against the male who "owns" the woman (yeesh).

Comment by Kairan Nierde on July 26, 2013 at 10:24am

SteveInCO-yes, Western and Middle Eastern nations both share a blame the victim mentality surrounding rape and of course, as you point out, there is a difference in the extent to which the laws or culture of these nations punish the victim. I cannot take comfort in comparing our progress to their stagnation because I don't measure progress by how far we have come but rather how far we have to go until we reach gender parity. My point is that we should not use this story to pat ourselves on the back but to inspire us to demand better treatment of women--at home and abroad.

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