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OP: Georgia I am disappoint.Trust me, none of us want to "fake" miscarriages. Not that they're not fun, except whoops, they're not.GUESS WHAT PRO-LIFERS, NEITHER ARE ABORTIONS!!!!Ga. Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages | Mother Jonesmotherjones.comIt's only February, but this year has been a tough one for women's health and reproductive rights. There's a new bill on the block that may have reached the apex (I hope) of woman-hating craziness. Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin—who last year proposed making rape and domestic violence "victims" iJake LeMaster: Sickening mother fuckers full of so much shit their eyes are turning brown... Sorry that possible law makes me livid..
OP: Makes YOU livid?? If that was law HERE, I'd be sitting on death row!!
AM: Ignorance is the new standard here in America, didn't you know? Also, Wisconsin's fine, upstanding governor wants to tax poor people, old people, and schools to... wait for it... give tax cuts to businesses.
Jake LeMaster: Shit my post didn't post ARGH it was a long one
OP: Nice to see men who actually GIVE A SHIT about women's choices. Thanks guys ♥
JM: It's astounding what lengths pro-lifer lawmakers will go to. What's insane about this law is that the onus of proof in any potential legal case is on the _mother_ to prove she did absolutely nothing to cause the miscarriage. It's one of those things that really make the pro-life movement look retarded. The fact that people still think it's okay to take away women's reproductive rights is scary.
Jake LeMaster: What would come next... Charging women that knew that they had problems conceiving that still tried to have children with attempted murder every time they have unprotected sex and went and bought a home pregnancy test or went to the doctor to had one done... Human trafficking charges for people who donate sperm and eggs to fertility clinics... Genocide charges for male masturbation... It's all a bullshit pass to force the religious beliefs of the masses on a state full of women who have the right to do what they so choose with their bodies...
Jake LeMaster: Got most if not all of my post back on there...
OP: I wish I could click LIKE more than once, Jake that's awesome!!
AM: I don't believe in abortion entirely, to be honest. I'm fairly pro-life, for the most part. I can understand exceptions where the quality of life of the child is in danger, but if you're just slutting around, and happen to get pregnant and decide to have an abortion because of it, then you're a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as do.
Jake LeMaster: I'm political, abrasive and an angry fuck especially when it comes to "HUMAN" rights..
AM: Human rights are one thing. Being a stupid, irresponsible whore with no regard for human life is another thing completely.
Jake LeMaster: @AM... I'm not pro life... I'm not pro choice... I'm pro get a fucking clue... Have your shit together and be ready if your going to fuck without protection...
AM:That about sums it up for me as well. =D
OP: I'm pro choice whether it's the woman's first or thirty-first abortion. Support one, support them all. It's not my business what a woman does with her body. It's nobody else's either.
OP: PS @AM, love you to bits, but you're slut shaming.
KF: Wow. I have no words.
OP: Kinda makes you glad you moved back to Canada, huh?
SF: Wait....abortions are ok. Ending a pregnancy on purpose is a-ok. But a miscarriage, which is already soul shattering, where a woman WANTED the baby...that's bad? This has got to be a hoax. Maybe I'm rainbow fucking brite but people can't be THAT stupid....
JF: i dont want to cause more sh.. here but just wanted to point out pro lifers arent all religious... i know people who are pro life who arent religious.... i know it usualy stems from a religious stand point but not all the `main religious arguements`(such as being pro life, or against same sex marriage etc etc ) arent just the opinions of religious people..... just like not all religious people are pro lifers... i was all ith jake until his last point.. which agsint.. not trying to cause anything or put anyone down.. just as a christian wanted to point out we arent all evil :)....also the day a woman has to prove her miscarriage herself is the day i start my own underground pregnancy centre
JF: and on a side note to my darling "OP".. you know i love ya.. but i sooooo disgaree with you...i do not believe a woman has the right to do whatever she wants to her body when carrying a baby.. im a dsw and ive seen too much fetal alchohol syndrome ( and effect) and cocaine babies and all other sorts of disaibilites as a result of the mother abusing her body while carrying....i personally feel people are taking the"my rights" attitude too far... i dont know where to draw the line myself, i really dont.. and im thankful to my country for protecting my rights but i think we have now as a society ( north americans) taken it too darn far in "protecting our rights" we still need to think of how our decisions and rights affect others around us, the environment, and persons globally.... and thats my two cents in respectuflly disagreeing with you :)
HF: "JF", you're my hero!
EF: wow look what I've started
LF: Wow "OP", you seemed to have changed your view. When did that happen. Btw pro life (unless for a good reason) and not remotely religious.
OP: Yes, I have changed my mind. I think we'll be running a slippery slope if we legalize abortion for SOME and not all, and I'm not saying a woman has a right to abuse the shit out of her body while carrying a child, but if a woman wants to end a pregnancy, I'm not going to judge her. Whatever the reason. Sorry that upsets everyone but I'd rather some women have the right who some shouldn't think have the right, to abortion, then ALL lose the right to choose and end up with back alley abortions again. Or abusing their bodies to purposefully end unwanted pregnancies.
OP: Also, pro-choice does not necessarily mean pro-abortion, I think women in China being forced to abort babies because they have too many is equally heinous.
JF:i dont judge someone who has had an abortion "OP". its not my place.... but im not going to agree with it :)....
JF: also I dont agree with legalizing something just so that people wont do it illegally...OP: So you don't think it's worthy of punishment by death? Because that's the law Georgia's trying to pass.
JF: oh i definetly disagreed with the article you posted hun.....
OP: Well, this has somehow devolved into an abortion debate when that's only half the issue. Also, if it was law HERE, I'd be on death row. I've had two miscarriages here.
Jake LeMaster: The people that make the laws have a political agenda to appeal to the masses and the masses are the religious... You can not deny that fact... As well... This issue has nothing to do with alcohol abuse and drug abuse.. we are speaking for the innocent that will be caught in the crossfire if such a thing were to happen... Taking into consideration that the most common cause of miscarriages are Genetic disorders of the fetus and Common infectious and inflammatory diseases of internal organs.. These are the people more subject to this law... not the the stupid alcohol abusing chain smoking recreational drug using trailer park trash that would be expected..
Jake LeMaster: If that politician had a personal experience where his wife... or daughter.. had these kinds of issues... they would instantly change their tune... but since it has nothing to do with them directly they have no problem trying to put such a wretched law through...
SF: WHAT THE EFF IS THIS BITCHNESS?
AF: I agree with you "OP". Women should always have a choice. I don't want to get into a debate or argument with anyone but I just wanted you to know that I feel the same way as you. It sickens me that this law is even being considered. I have given up on this country. I am moving to Canada as soon as I graduate college next year.
OP: Honey, Canada's got its own problems, trust me. Let's you and me stay, get our voices heard and bring America back to its original glory! WHO'S WITH ME!
AF I would stay if I thought we had a chance. If we can get enough people brave enough to do it and intelligent enough to see the necessity of it, then I would definitely stay and fight for this country.
SF: Everyone has their own beliefs. If you don't like abortion, don't get one. No one should force their beliefs (political, religious, etc) on anyone, period.
SF: (and for the record, I am pro-choice for that very reason, but I don't think I could ever get an abortion unless it was an extreme reason, i.e.we would both die unless I had one, etc...
AF: Very well said =>
SF: Thank you♥
JF: the issue of the article wasnt about being pro choice no.. however some of the comments made led it into some of the differing convos on this thread.. its bound to happen.. "OP" you made a comment about woman being able to do what they want to thier bodies and i addressed it.. so you started it :P anyway the artcile also clearly stated youd be fine if you could proove you had a miscarriage.. i believe what the politician is trying to achieve is abortion being outlawed and ensuring people cant claim they had a miscarriage after having an abortion.. not to punish people who had actually had a miscarriage.. however, his plan, imo, is fatally flawed in that it will in fact potentionally and quite probably hurt the "innocents" hes trying to protect.... if you could proove you had two miscarriages and not two abortions "OP" youd be fine... so yeah again, just exaplining the article NOT agreeing with it :)and "SF" in this world we HAVE to force our beliefs on people.. i know im not going to explain this right... but basically.. lets say john belief is that its ok to murder people.. so we allow him to murder people because thats his believe but its ok cause we dont believe in that so we just dont murder people.... murder is harming someone.. so therefore we have to impose our belief not to murder on that person..... so even if you leave it at that.. lets take it the one step farther... that if someone believes abortion is murder then they have to fight for that belief... (not to the point of how crazy some pro life people take it.. a murder for a murder is no less right, or harming someone else etc etc) .. i hate to see how the world has become so crazy in its fight for rights as i said above.. but at the same time i never want to live in a world where people didnt fight for what they believe in
JF: which i guess brings us to "OP" and me... i am pro life.. not pro choice.. however, it doesnt mean i m going to judge "OP" for her belief or persecute her.. if she wants my honest opinion ill give it to her.. if she ever came to me for advice i would tell her my beliefs and opinions.. and if she went ahead and had an abortion even though i told her my beliefs said no i would still love and support HER.. not her decision.. but HER.. however at the same time i will still fight for my right to have my belief... anyway i feel im getting off topic lol.. this article is just another example of someone taking things to crazy extremes and making other pro lifers look like crazy abortion doctor killing bible thumping persecutionists
SF: The only thing I'm going to say about murder vs. abortion is that there is a difference between someone already born, and someone who isn't. What it boils down to with abortion is the question of when are you actually "a life." For Joe Belief to murder someone who no one can debate is already "alive" is way different, especially when no one really knows when someone is "alive," before birth or after.(I'm trying to phrase this the best way I can LOL).And "JF", as far as "forcing" beliefs on people, there IS a difference between "forcing" and "standing up for what you believe in." For example, let's use gay marriage. A lot of people say that God says it's a sin, so gays shouldn't be married. HOWEVER, not everyone is religious or even believes in God, and they shouldn't be FORCED to live by what OTHER people believe in. Giving their opinons - "Knock, knock, who's there, Jesus, Jesus who, jesus doesn't want you to do that because it's a sin. please consider it, I dont want you to go to Hell, kthxbai" is a whole other thing. But actually BANNING people fromAF: Well said again "SF"! I think you and I would get along quite well. Where have you been all my life? =)
SF: (damn facebook being a douche to me)... to continue...but actually BANNING people from doing what THEY believe is right FOR THEM is wrong, in my opinion. Back to abortion, like I said, since the "alive" debate is still up in the air, you can't really FORCE people not to get abortions...you know they're going to anyway. They did before, they will again, whether in the US or another. They will illegally REGARDLESS if it takes their own life. And you NEVER know the future, I know people who are deeply religious who swore they could NEVER have an abortion, and wound up needing one. Extreme case, sure, but they had one just the same. You really never know.
SF: @AF...I don't know, in a cave somewhere, planning the overthrow of the US government and my rise to the Queendom :-)
AF: You have my vote
SF: Wouldn't really need a vote in my coup, but I thank you, loyal subject♥
JF: I am not going to be able to do this right cause now I'm on my cell lol.. "SF" I'm not goi g to say your wrong I'm going to say I disagree with u though.. Which doesn't mean I'm judging or telling u off I'm just now throwing in my two cents as well... I agree there is a diff between an already born person for murder as u stated but for me the difference is only that that person has been born.. Yes the abortion debate stems from when is life life but as a mother of three I have felt that life inside of me long before they were "viable" .. And look how far we've come twenty years ago a baby at 23 weeks wasn't viable now we have saved babies as early as 22 weeks and some odd days fast forward another twenty years or even fifty and who knows what we could save so is it just being born that makes you a life??? I myself personally disagree and that's where my pro life beliefs come in how do we know when a fetus becomes life ?? And I prefer to error on the side of caution and say it's life when it's life ... The fear is that when people try to determine when someone is human we don't really know and it's just an educated guess and were be oming more educated all the time and fi ding out previous thoughts were wrong so again I'd rather err inthe side of caution... Again I can't explain this properly but hope I'm making some sense lol.. I fear that as this artcile shows people go to such extremes that if we allow ourselves to determine what is and isn't life we will take it too far so now a baby before a certain number of weeks isn't life tomorrow a baby with a disability is no longer life ( and look at the parents of Elliott thr baby with trisomy 13) an then next week a blind baby isn't etc etc... I know that seems crazy but look at this article humans take things so far trying to draw thier lines ... Will have to cont in a min :)
JF: And yes I agree there is a diff between fighting for your breliefs and forcing it on others but I still feel we have to do it at times ( for example look at the Mormon scandal with the guy who was marrying young girls it was thier belief that it was ok for him to marry and impregnant young girls ) ...
JF: Damn my post didn't post I don't think
JF: U can't force people to not get abortions but you also can't force people to not beat thier kids so should we legalize that??? ( I am in no way saying that's the same I'm pointing out I don't think things should be legalized just because people are going to do it anyway)
JF: Ok my post worked just didn't show up on my cell... Anyway, that's my two cents but were really not goi g to get anywhere the abortion topic has been going on forever so before I offend someone I'll leave it that those are my belefs and the reasons why I have them, on the other hand I will not judge someone who has had one nor will I sit Herr and tell "SF" I think she's going to hell or whatever cause she's entitled to her opinions I do think however we can both agree this law in this article is b.s. :)
JF: Ok two more cents then I'm done sorry for taking over your post "OP" LOL.. As a Canadian I say come on over "AF" we rock!!! :) but "OP" is right Canadian have issues too were not a perfect country and "OP" has a good point in saying stay there and fight for change ( even though "OP" should be back in Canada so I can see her .. :P. ) ok I'm done :D
Jake LeMaster: You are aware that the entirety of your post while saying that you will not say someone is wrong.... Has only the one focus in defending your position as correct. Making the implication that in fact even though people do not agree with you and you can accept they have different beliefs... Doesn't make them right... I'm not trying to say you sound exactly like a politician using spin try to say something as nice as possible... but you are... A spade will and forever be called a spade... unless the person viewing the cards is blind...