It's not too hard to find a contradiction or a false prophecy in the bible

but it's pretty awesome to find one of the most revered prophets in
Christianity not only make a false prophecy but also acknowledge he
was wrong and what's worse, although he admitted the prophecy went
unfulfilled apologists to this day still try to spin it as a prophecy
that was fulfilled.


Ezekiel's not just unfulfilled but utterly discounted prophecy on Tyre and his
total failure of a prophecy against Egypt.

"In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of Yahweh came
to me: Mortal, because Tyre said concerning Jerusalem, "Aha,
broken is the gateway of the peoples; it has swung open to me; I
shall be replenished, now that it is wasted." Therefore, thus
says the Lord GOD: See, I am against you, O Tyre! I will hurl many
nations against you, as the sea hurls its waves. They shall destroy
the walls of Tyre and break down its towers. I will scrape its soil
from it and make it a bare rock. It shall become, in the midst of the
sea, a place for spreading nets. I have spoken, says the Lord GOD. It
shall become plunder for the nations, and its daughter-towns in the
country shall be killed by the sword. Then they shall know that I am
Yahweh. For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from
the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together
with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army. Your
daughter-towns in the country he shall put to the sword. He shall set
up a siege wall against you, cast up a ramp against you, and raise a
roof of shields against you. He shall direct the shock of his
battering rams against your walls and break down your towers with his
axes. His horses shall be so many that their dust shall cover you. At
the noise of cavalry, wheels, and chariots your very walls shall
shake, when he enters your gates like those entering a breached city.
With the hoofs of his horses he shall trample all your streets. He
shall put your people to the sword, and your strong pillars shall
fall to the ground. They will plunder your riches and loot your
merchandise; they shall break down your walls and destroy your fine
houses. Your stones and timber and soil they shall cast into the
water. I will silence the music of your songs; the sound of your
lyres shall be heard no more. I will make you a bare rock; you shall
be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for
I Yahweh have spoken, says the Lord GOD" (Ezek. 26:1-14, NRSV
with Yahweh substituted for the LORD)

So we have here a prophecy. Ezekiel gives us a Who a Where and a What.

Who- Nebuchadnezzar and HIS armies which composed armies of the few lands
he conquered.
Where- Tyre
What- The armies of Babylon would destroy Tyre led by Nebuchadnezzar and then where the city stood
would become a desolate rock forever.


However Nebuchadnezzar failed...miserably. His armies attacked Tyre in 587 to
584 BCE after a 13 year siege were forced back and went home empty
handed. How do we know this? From two sources..history and Ezekiel's
recanting.

Yup even Ezekiel states his prophecy did not come true and even makes the statement that God said Nebuchadnezzar would
take Tyre and God through Ezekiel admits he was wrong. That's right
God said (through Ezekiel) "Okay i made a mistake i tell you
what i'll give you Egypt instead." NOT the behavior of an all
knowing entity. Here is the proof..

Ezekiel says ooops sorry..

"In the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me:
Mortal, King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon made his army labor hard
against Tyre; every head was made bald and every shoulder was rubbed
bare; yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for
the labor that he had expended against it. Therefore thus says the
Lord GOD: I will give the land of Egypt to King Nebuchadrezzar of
Babylon; and he shall carry off its wealth and despoil it and plunder
it; and it shall be the wages for his army. I have given him the land
of Egypt as his payment for which he labored, because they worked for
me, says the Lord GOD" (Ezek. 29:17-20).

Okay now God has said he'll give Nebuchadnezzar a better prize Egypt and Ezekiel
begins a tirade of prophecies against Egypt. Ezekiel starts "talkin'
trash" like players do before a football game.


""I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol
to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush (what is now Southern Egypt
and Sudan). No foot of man or animal will pass through it; no one
will live there for forty years. I will make the land of Egypt
desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will be desolate
forty years among ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians
among the nations and scatter them through the countries. For thus
says YAHWEH GOD: At the end of forty years I will gather the
Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered; and I will
restore the fortunes of Egypt, and bring them back to the land of
Pathros, the land of their origin; and there they shall be a lowly
kingdom. It shall be the most lowly of the kingdoms, and never again
exalt itself above the nations; and I will make them so small that
they will never again rule over the nations" Ezekiel 29:10

and my favorite..

""A sword shall come upon Egypt, and anguish shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain fall in Egypt, and her
wealth is carried away, and her foundations are torn down. Ethiopia,
and Put, and Lud, and all Arabia, and Libya, and the people of the
land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword. Thus says
YAHWEH: Those who support Egypt shall fall, and her proud might shall
come down; from Migdol to Syene they shall fall within her by the
sword, says YAHWEH GOD. And she shall be desolated in the midst of
desolated countries and her cities shall be in the midst of cities
that are laid waste. Then they will know that I am YAHWEH, when I
have set fire to Egypt, and all her helpers are broken. On that day
swift messengers shall go forth from me to terrify the unsuspecting
Ethiopians; and anguish shall come upon them on the day of Egypt's
doom; for, lo, it comes! Thus says YAHWEH GOD:

Now this next part is VERY IMPORTANT. It tells us how God will bring Egypt's
destruction and who he will use to do it. (okay despite the fact an
all powerful being could just do it himself)

I will put an end to the wealth of Egypt, by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of
Babylon. He and his people with him, the most terrible of the
nations, shall be brought in to destroy the land; and they shall draw
their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain. And I
will dry up the Nile, and will sell the land into the hand of evil
men; I will bring desolation upon the land and everything in it, by
the hand of foreigners; I, YAHWEH, have spoken. Thus says YAHWEH GOD:
I will destroy the idols, and put an end to the images, in Memphis;
there shall no longer be a prince in the land of Egypt; so I will put
fear in the land of Egypt. I will make Pathros a desolation, and will
set fire to Zoan, and will execute acts of judgment upon Thebes. And
I will pour my wrath upon Pelusium, the stronghold of Egypt, and cut
off the multitude of Thebes. And I will set fire to Egypt; Pelusium
shall be in great agony; Thebes shall be breached, and its walls
broken down. The young men of On and of Pibeseth shall fall by the
sword; and the women shall go into captivity. At Tehaphnehes the day
shall be dark, when I break there the dominion of Egypt, and her
proud might shall come to an end; she shall be covered by a cloud,
and her daughters shall go into captivity. Thus I will execute acts
of judgment upon Egypt. Then they will know that I am YAHWEH. It
happened in the eleventh year, in the first month, in the seventh day
of the month, that the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, Son of man,
I have broken the arm of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and, behold, it has
not been bound up, to apply healing medicines, to put a bandage to
bind it, that it be strong to hold the sword. Therefore thus says the
Lord Yahweh: Behold, I am against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and will
break his arms, the strong arm, and that which was broken; and I will
cause the sword to fall out of his hand. I will scatter the Egyptians
among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. I
will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in
his hand: but I will break the arms of Pharaoh, and he shall groan
before him with the groanings of a deadly wounded man. I will hold up
the arms of the king of Babylon; and the arms of Pharaoh shall fall
down; and they shall know that I am Yahweh, when I shall put my sword
into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out on
the land of Egypt. I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations,
and disperse them through the countries; and they shall know that I
am Yahweh." Ezekiel 30: 1- 26

Okay the stage is set God is going to give Nebuchadnezzar a major victory over Egypt. In 567
BCE Amasis II (aka Ahmose II) one of Egypt's best and most beloved
generals takes the throne of Egypt in a coup against Pharaoh Apries.
Apries flees to Babylon and enlists the aid of Nebuchadnezzar in an
invasion of Egypt. Nebuchadnezzar agrees and Babylon invades Egypt 20
years after his failure to take Tyre.

Nebuchadnezzar wins two small victories against small armies but then finds himself having to
take on Amasis II in a major battle...

Nebuchadnezzar gets slapped around like a red headed stepchild and immediately leaves for
Babylon and Apries is killed in the battle. If a leading general was
killed in an ancient battle then that signifies a significant defeat.
Amasis II even goes so far as to marry one of Apries' daughters. Now
here we have Ezekiel proven wrong again. Egypt was not made to be
unoccupied for 40 years, the Egyptians were not scattered, the Nile
was not dried up, the idols of Egypt were not smashed, etc. In fact
after the battle no one dared invade Egypt while Amasis II was in
charge. Egypt flourished and grew. Very much the opposite of God's
plan. To make things worse Persia then invaded Babylon after
Nebuchadnezzar's death and sent the Israelites home.

Now under Ezekiel's own rules he should have been stoned and anyone who regards
him as a prophet should be put to death as well..

"If the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, YAHWEH, have deceived that
prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him, and will destroy
him from the midst of my people Israel. And they shall bear their
punishment—the punishment of the prophet and the punishment of the
person who consults the prophet shall be the same." - Ezekiel
14:9

What's also amazing is that Nebuchadnezzar who conquered the Jews and exiled them from their own land was so revered by
Ezekiel and Daniel yet loathed by another Hebrew prophet Jeremiah.
Jeremiah also predicted that Nebuchadnezzar would conquer
Egypt.


This just covers two false prophecies. Apologists have tried to change the
meaning by saying Nebuchadnezzar was a metaphor and that the
prophecies were fulfilled by others but that's just desperation.
That's a pathetic attempt to try and make a discredited account seem
credible out of a need or want for the source to be valid because it
fails on it's own. People will change the meaning to re validate it.
Ezekiel named specifics if he was being general and said that God
would send "someone unnamed" to destroy Tyre or conquer
Egypt then eventually the prophecy would be fulfilled as cities and
nations frequently traded hands in ancient times. Tyre however is
still there and there is a village on the island where ancient Tyre
once stood.

Also i have heard apologist arguments that try to reason that Alexander destroyed ancient Tyre. He only tore down the
fortifications and Ezekiel said Nebuchadnezzar NOT Alexander. I have
also heard arguments that "Egypt's proud might" has come to
an end which is nonsense because Egypt has a deeply diversified
economy and is a major player in Middle Eastern politics. The other
argument that when Ezekiel mentioned "other nations" fails
because Ezekiel is talking about present time. This suggests an
alliance or the fact that Nebuchadnezzar's armies were comprised of
soldiers from various nations.

Apologetics is spin control. It's taking a discredited source and attempting to validate it out of
an emotional or psychological attachment. A need for it to be true.


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Comment by Jon Heim on November 3, 2010 at 6:39pm

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on November 3, 2010 at 6:46pm
This is good. I am looking for something similar to debunk the prophesy of Isaiah and the fall of Babylon if you know of a good reference url. Am debating a Jehovah Witness and need a bit more ammo. Only if it's to hand. Thanks.
Comment by Jason Paisley on November 3, 2010 at 11:58pm
Thanks Jon.
Comment by Jason Paisley on November 4, 2010 at 12:12am
Reg what is the nature of the argument? Is it that Isiah prophesied that Babylon would fall (well DUH ancient cities traded hands all the time) or that it would happen a certain way? We do know after the death of Alexander the Great his generals fought over what was left and that caused Babylon to fall due to people just saying "Screw all these wars we're leavin'!" Alexander himself marched into the city without a fight and his troops were ordered to not enter the homes of the Babylonians or do them harm and to disobey Alexander at that time was suicide as he was at the height of his power.
Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on November 4, 2010 at 4:43pm
Hi Jason - Basically that Isiah prophesied it 200 years beforehand and that it was never going to be rebuilt. He even asserts that Saddam Hussein was going to rebuild it to disprove the prophesy (i.e. one up for the Muslims) and when George Bush heard about it the marines were sent in !!! I argue with logic so you can only imagine the task I am having debating with them. But I have nearly deconverted them, especially on the Science front. All i need to do is sow some more reasonable doubt. I think Isiah may have been written by more than one person so will do some research. It is not worth too much of our time but if a debunking essay is on the web somewhere I would use it. Just can't seem to find it. Last week the Pentecostals arrived at my house at the same time as the J.W's. The look of hatred they gave each other was priceless. LoL. Thanks.
Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on November 4, 2010 at 5:07pm

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