Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens

hi there friends. i am an ex athiest and im a putting togethter a book/blog for christians about understanding and then saving athiests. I PROMISE, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAVE YOU! but i would greatly appreciate your input.

like i said i used to be an athiest. actually i was more of an anti-christian. i was very thorough wile compiling my arsenal of anti-christian material, and was very articulate when fighting christians. i had a long list of great arguments against christianity, but i could use more.

lets face it. alot of christians are annoying, i agree, but the big idea here is that most christians have absolutely no concept of life without god. so they dont understand athiesim at all. one of the purposes of my book is to illustrate that athiests are not all terrible satanists. that alot of them are actually really good hearted people.

if you are willing to help me out i would appreciate it. if not, feel free to tell me to go to hell lol... please respond to the following 2 statements/questions

what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????

what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians???? 

 

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Comment by Emperor Milos on January 17, 2013 at 2:54pm

what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????

Isn't Jesus god? If you want arguments against the historical Jesus, then the simple lack of any historical evidence for his existence is more than enough.
If you want an argument against the religion that Jesus spawned, then we must also argue against god, since he is one and the same according to mainstream christianity.

what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians????

The fact that they keep coming to atheists with arrogant and insulting assumptions that we need to be saved or that we are empty inside because we said our goodbyes to our imaginary friends when we grew up.

Comment by CJoe on January 17, 2013 at 3:13pm

I'm not sure why atheists would help you write a book about how to "save" us (aka proselytizing). On one hand, I appreciate that you're trying to show atheists in a positive light. On the other hand, if you truly understood atheists, you'd know they don't need "saving".

I'll play.

There is no physical evidence Jesus ever existed. He was supposed to be a scholar (or rather, a Rabi), yet he never lifted a finger to write even a single word (that would've lent some credibility to his existence at least). I find that highly suspect. Since Jesus (the alleged Son of God) couldn't be bothered to write about himself, we have to depend on second-hand accounts written 70 years after his crucifixion. Paul had a hallucination and decided he'd been called to tell the world about someone he'd never met. Also highly suspect. And Paul's version of Jesus doesn't even fit with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John's version.

Additionally, I don't find any of his "miracles" all that miraculous; they were more like parlor tricks. In the 21st Century, our technology blows everything he did out of the water. Sure, his tricks were cool when people had just crawled out of their cave-dwellings, but... the Creator of the Universe could've done some tricks that would've impressed people throughout history... and maybe taken the time to document and verify it on his own. But, assuming this guy existed, he obviously didn't have any timeless tricks up his sleeve that would impress those of us to can communicate with people on the other side of the planet instantly. My iPhone can do more than Jesus ever did.

Main argument: ZERO physical evidence. Second argument: only second-hand accounts of his life **70** years after he was gone. Third argument: the idea of virgin births and demigods came from the Greeks, not from the Hebrew Jews. Christianity is a marriage of two very different religions. Have you taken the time to study Judaism? Christianity barely resembles it even though it claims that Abrahamic religion is its source.

I think you know why Christians annoy atheists (or anyone else that doesn't subscribe to their religion). They think everyone should be following the mandates of the Bible even if they don't buy into its message.

Instead of quietly and humbly practicing their personal religion at home and with fellow-Believers, they're busy trying to force it into government policies that affect everyone's life. In order to hang on to their narrative of the truth they reject verifiable evidence. Statistics, math, science, research... unless it aligns with what they already believe, they say it's all lies from Satan. 

And then, while they're busy oppressing people and taking away their freedoms, they try to act like they're compassionate, Jesus-like people. They act like they've got a monopoly on morality, all while driving homosexuals to suicide and allowing pregnant women to die rather than give them a life-saving abortion. They're taking away people's freedoms and wondering why people dislike their "harmless" religion of judgment and oppression!

STOP trying to proselytize and force your religion down people's throat; that's how Christians can be less annoying. But, that's not really possible, is it? Because this guy, who no one's met, told you to pester every to death.

Comment by onyango makagutu on January 17, 2013 at 3:53pm

like i said i used to be an athiest. actually i was more of an anti-christian. i was very thorough wile compiling my arsenal of anti-christian material, and was very articulate when fighting christians. i had a long list of great arguments against christianity, but i could use more.

what happened to all that information you collected? Did you suddenly lose it? If you still have it, then just keep using. Besides we are not in need of salvation!

i am an ex athiest and im a putting togethter a book/blog for christians about understanding and then saving athiests. I PROMISE, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAVE YOU!

You notice the contradiction in this statement. You say you want to save atheists, then you don't want to save us and we are atheists! Which is it? Saving us or not saving us?

lets face it. alot of christians are annoying, i agree, but the big idea here is that most christians have absolutely no concept of life without god. so they dont understand athiesim at all. one of the purposes of my book is to illustrate that athiests are not all terrible satanists. that alot of them are actually really good hearted people.

In your estimation how should this be our problem?

if you are willing to help me out i would appreciate it. if not, feel free to tell me to go to hell lol.

Go to hell!

what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????

If he existed, he was suicidal! How do you go stepping on people's toes and expect not to suffer the consequences.

what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians?

what you are trying to do here!

Comment by Ray R. on January 17, 2013 at 3:54pm
Profound incuriousness , ignorance , history denial , fact denial , science denial , wishing for the world to end , wishing for an end to civilization , loving death more than life , pathologic egotism and stultifying arrogance . These are all symptoms of monotheistic delusional disorder in general , and the Christian delusion in particular . The only help for you Cameron , is to open your mind to the natural world as it actually is ,seek psychiatric help for egotistical delusions of grandeur , or ignore the truth and persist in your primitive , self agrandizing fantasies . Good luck !
Comment by Strega on January 17, 2013 at 4:20pm

one of the purposes of my book is to illustrate that athiests are not all terrible satanists. that alot of them are actually really good hearted people.

It's spelled ATHEIST.  You spelled it incorrectly... not once, but six times.  And yet you want me to believe you were one?  Somehow, I don't think so. 

There are good people and nasty people.  You are trying to attribute that to religious/non religious reasons.  At the risk of rolling out a virtual cliche, perhaps you could start by writing a list of the mass destruction activities carried out in the name of Atheism.  Note that I did not say "by atheists", but in the name of Atheism, i.e. to promote Atheism.  Whilst you are scratching your head and staring at that blank sheet of paper, imagine how much easier it would be if you were trying to write the equivalent list for activities carried out in the name of Religion.

I do not believe you are trying to write a book.  To write a book, you really need to have a good grasp of the written language.  I see you have a CAPS LOCK key.  Ideally, that should be used at the start of each sentence, and when using the personal pronoun.

The word you were looking for, is "while", not "wile".  I am not a 'grammar Nazi' but I do expect a would-be author to be able to grasp the basics of the language he intends to rely on to communicate his message.

Consequently, I do not believe you. 

Comment by kris feenstra on January 17, 2013 at 4:21pm
  • "what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????"

He advocated strict adherence to the Law (though I've never been clear on where he stood, exactly, on the punitive aspects of Leviticus). This is not my strongest argument against Jesus, but it is the major reason I would never look to Jesus -- the man or the myth -- as a moral guide. (We can set aside later provisions in Acts as the question was about Jesus.)

For me, I am not too deeply concerned about the historicity of Jesus as I am not a history buff. Jesus's relevance is more problematic than his alleged existence.

  • "what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians????"

Generally, I do not have a problem with Christians. We disagree on the nature of the universe and its origins, but apart from that, I find the Christians I have known to be decent and rational people.

What I do have a problem with is those that push Christian exceptionalism. Tradition and religious freedoms are not exemptions from the same scrutiny and compromise the rest of us all face in life, especially for Christian organizations who want to thrust their positions into the public sphere. By all means, thrust away; just don't you* bitch and moan when others, in turn, rebut and cut you down to size. C'est la vie, non?

*'you' in the generalized sense, not you, Cameron W, specifically.

Comment by _Robert_ on January 17, 2013 at 4:31pm

You are not the first "ex-atheist" I (or we) have encountered here. I can not believe someone who is a conscience, thinking, informed, intelligent atheist would ever convert. It is usually a ploy to engage us. Please enlighten us as to what atheism meant to you, how "deep" was your atheism, and why you felt the need to convert? We are gonna get to that eventually,so  let's just dig right in there !

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on January 17, 2013 at 5:09pm
Nup, wasn't, isn't, never will be an Atheist. And as Robert said, not the first 'ex'atheist to come here pretending to be. I am not answering this bloke, but as a general observation, one of the things that has intrigued me is the fact that theists are actually afraid to die, and will do anything not to. Why have an operation, or go to a doctor at all, if they believe there is a god/jesus.
Are they not praying hard enough, or is their god just sitting on his hands, looking the other way.
Comment by Gallup's Mirror on January 17, 2013 at 5:19pm

putting togethter a book/blog for christians about understanding and then saving athiests. I PROMISE, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAVE YOU! 

You want to save atheists but also promise not to try. Somehow, based on that opening, I don't think you're on the verge of writing a bestseller. 

like i said i used to be an athiest. actually i was more of an anti-christian. 

So you believed in God but were against Christianity. That is not atheism.   

i was very thorough wile compiling my arsenal of anti-christian material, and was very articulate when fighting christians.

Uh-huh.

i had a long list of great arguments against christianity, but i could use more.

So why come here? I'm not against leprechauns, I just don't believe they exist. Likewise for God. If you want arguments against Christianity, ask a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Sikh, Scientologist, or any member of the thousands of non-Christian faiths.

lets face it. alot of christians are annoying, i agree, but the big idea here is that most christians have absolutely no concept of life without god. so they dont understand athiesim at all.

They're living without God every day just as they're living without Santa Claus every day. It's not a difficult concept at all. 

 one of the purposes of my book is to illustrate that athiests are not all terrible satanists. that alot of them are actually really good hearted people.

Do you know how insulting and condescending that sounds?

what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically????

I have no more argument against Jesus than I do against King Arthur. I only acknowledge that the evidence in support of their existence as historical figures is debatable.  

what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians???? 

I find Christians and other religious folk annoying when they intrude into my life and other people's lives while citing claims of supernatural backing. A short list: prayer in schools, creationism in biology class, mangers at city hall, anti-abortionism, bans on stem cell medical research, in God we trust on money, under God in the Pledge, discrimination against homosexuals and racial minorities, harassment in the military, exclusion from public offices, swearing oaths on Bibles, and endless personal insults, threats, and hateful comments. It goes on, and on, and on, every single day. 

What I dislike most about Christianity and religion in general; the feeble and childish absurdity of theism, the endless bickering and conflict, the millions of casualties throughout history, and centuries of crippling strangleholds on human progress.

Comment by Dale Headley on January 17, 2013 at 5:24pm

To begin with, it might be advisable, before you write a scholarly book about atheism, that you learn how to spell it correctly (atheism).  You might also want to take a 4th grade refresher course in capitalization, since you committed 38 errors of omission in this regard.  

There are also 8 punctuation mistakes (Have you heard about these things called apostrophes?).  

And, besides "athiest," there are a couple of other misspelled words, as well as grammatical errors, but that would be me indulging in my infamously obsessive, grammar-nazi nitpicking.

Be that as it may, your description of yourself as “very articulate” is hardly supported by this posting. 

As to your questions:

My best two arguments against the existence of Jesus are... that there is not an iota of evidence that he ever existed (The Bible is not evidence); and if the “miracles” attributed to him are beyond natural explanation, which they are, it is prima facie evidence that he, like his “miracles,” never happened.

Honestly, I find Christians more amusing than annoying; THEY find ME annoying.  Don’t you?

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