There are some meaningless things people just go along with. Let me point out something that should be rather obvious, but for some reason isn't.

Ending world hunger is a bad idea.

It seems even atheists have a hard time grasping this. Bimbos in beauty pageants are trained to parrot it back whenever they're asked what they wish for. Ask any child, or naive adult, and you'll get the same wish of ending world hunger, world peace or some other inane nonsense like that.

Ever stop to think about why humans aren't supposed to interfere with nature? Why do you think it is that cameramen filming little turtles crawling into the ocean never stop help them? Why do they just stand there and watch as some of the poor little fucks get picked off my birds? Because that's how nature preserves its balance. If all of them made it to the ocean, the risk of overpopulation would be too high.

Knowing this then, why do we interfere with other humans? Why is it ethical to not interfere with nature when it's animals, but it's suddenly the complete opposite when it's humans? Why do people have such a hard time accepting that humans are no different than other animals, and that most of the world's problems are indisputably caused by human overpopulation?

7 billion people is too much as it is, and the only reason that some of these billions of people are starving to death, dying in wars, famine etc is that there's too much of them to begin with. And the solution is to stop them from dying so humanity can spread even more? How disgusting.

Every time you watch a documentary on obesity, you can be sure to hear something along the lines of "with the food thrown away in America on a daily basis you could end world hunger." Yes, and then those people would multiply, and then we're fucked again. It's a matter of thinking long term. Aiding in more people surviving is only going to cause more suffering in the long run. Earth is finite. Resources are finite. And thanks to religion we're wasting precious time and money on arguing about matters that are apparently more important, such as who should be allowed to marry whom, and so are yet nowhere near to colonizing space. It's simply irresponsible to suggest every human should be saved.

Famine, disease and even war are nature's way of keeping our numbers at bay, and we arrogantly struggle against that. We're so fucking precious aren't we? No. Humans are no different than any other resource. The more on there is on the market, the less it's worth.

People are trying to get pandas to fuck in the zoo so their species doesn't die out. No one does the same for ants, cockroaches or grasshoppers. They're "pests." In fact we try to kill those. Well guess what, humans aren't the equivalent to pandas. We're the fucking locusts of this world, and it's already haunting us. We have to accept that nature, earth, cannot support this many people breeding at an accelerating rate. Ultimately at this point, with 7 billion people, any single person is too much, and pumping out more of our larva is just detrimental to the well-being of the rest.

Same goes for people who have children. Don't think I forgot about you. It doesn't matter how much you recycle, how much of a vegan you are, or how well you raise your little supposed prodigies. In the end, you're just part of the problem. So next time you feel selfish enough to want kids, be a little moral and do the world a favor by just adopting a kid.

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Comment by RobertPiano on April 17, 2013 at 7:49pm

Negative population growth occurs with an average of 1 to 2 children per family. The idea is unpopular with us older people who depend on sustained growth for our earned entitlements. We are seeing some of that as the baby boomers retire. It is also unpopular with religions that are always looking to indoctrinate the young to gain new members. It is also unpopular with governments and businesses looking for more and more revenue. So the powers that be encourage this delusion that "lifeboat earth" has unlimited capacity. It'll be a gruesome thing when the boat starts sinking.

Comment by Unseen on April 17, 2013 at 7:56pm

I've been saying we need a good war or worldwide pandemic or the planet will self-destruct.

Comment by RobertPiano on April 17, 2013 at 8:03pm

Cheap Fuel = Cheap Food production and is the main reason for the human population spike.

Comment by Jimmy Russell on April 17, 2013 at 8:37pm

Unseen I've said the very same thing for a while now.  Looks like the new bird flu is a prime candidate. 

Comment by James Johnson on April 17, 2013 at 8:37pm

The uber wealthy powermongers put it out there that the world is overcrowded with people, and of course, many are going to believe such propaganda and hyperbole. It's not true! What is true is that the 1% is plundering the wealth and resources of the world! And depriving everyone of a decent life while actually orchestrating world genocide!

Comment by Belle Rose on April 17, 2013 at 8:38pm

I think natural disasters will take care of a lot of your "concern," it's only a matter of time before a really big one hits, (bigger than we've seen in any of our life times) I just hope it's not the big one expected in these parts!!! (yes I'm being very very selfish for saying that).

Comment by Belle Rose on April 17, 2013 at 9:19pm


it is more immoral to condemn the rest of the world to the fate of curing it as the population exists today

True that. I agree. I do not think we should just suddenly ignore starving people and say, "too bad so sad for you..." I think that we need to remember why there are portions of the world who are starving. Those root causes become the vocal point. Starvation is a symptom of a bigger crisis. It would be like putting a band aid over an already infected wound. The band aid does nothing to help. The real problems are the very core issues that we as atheists already stand for. The root problem is religion. This brings us to a circular argument that we both agree on. Root out religion and you suddenly have a more sustainable future for everyone. Natural disasters and natural famine plus our own over consumption of resources will aid our demise. We don't have to go out of our way to kill off enough people so that the rest can live peacefully imo.

Comment by Michael on April 17, 2013 at 9:28pm

Are you under the impression that starving people do not procreate?

I assure you that they do. There is no reason for them to suffer in order to control the population. There is also nothing immoral about fighting world hunger. Education and empowering woman can control the population much more effectively than ignoring the problem of hunger. Advocating starvation is remarkably immoral.

Comment by Ed on April 17, 2013 at 9:59pm

I suppose it is all a matter of perspective. Those chit chatting on this forum probably have it fairly cozy with a frig full of food. The individual on the other side of the issue sees it as a matter of basic survival. To turn one's back on the starving masses requires a fairly coarse conscious. This planet can easily support the seven or eight billion humans currently occupying it's space. The key is unified global management of our resources, which presently does not exist. Capitalism will ensure that resources continue to be squandered with indifference to planetary impact.

Those humans who are already here deserve a tad more consideration than the lowly sea turtle. I hope "Soylent Green" does not become reality for future generations. Eliminating religion and unregulated capitalism will get us in the right direction. 

Comment by Belle Rose on April 17, 2013 at 10:10pm

That's what I'm sayin'. Famine and drought and other natural disasters will still happen regardless of whether we are prudent and/or "fair" with our resources. We don't have to micro manage starvation, nature will manage it for us.


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