So I wandered over to today... I haven't been there in almost 2 years, but I wanted to change my account information so it no longer listed me as "Roman Catholic" (It's the little things right?)

Anywho, I moseyed on over to the forum and noticed a little thread titled "crisis of faith" in which a young forum member posted his current crisis of logic. Anyone who left a church is probably familiar with it.

Anger at scandals and ignorance, the general annoyance of the audacity of a man at the pulpit preaching from moral authority...and of course the constant little nagging voice saying to you, "What if this is all just horse shit?"

A few people chimed in with the obligatory "devil is testing your faith," when I chimed in:

Let me step in as a voice for the other side here.
You may be having a crisis of faith but instead of sending yourself into a guilt fueled panic, perhaps you should allow yourself to further examine the things you are already doubting.

The scandals? Yes you should be appalled, these may just be men, but they are men acting as a moral authority in a church. Yes they should be held to a higher standard, or at the very least they should be held to the same standards they are preaching.
What they have done is violate the trust of many young people, they have silenced the victims, and then they have moved and hidden the guilty. The Church has acted dishonorably in response, not only by hiding these horrible men, but then following it up with pointing the finger at the gay community. It's like a horrible magic trick, only instead of a magician distracting your attention from a sleight of hand with a puff of smoke the church you are allowing to guide your morality is distracting you from their sleight of morality with a puff of ignorance and hatred.

The pope? Well aside from him first denouncing the use of condoms to control the spread of aids in Africa and then a year later changing his mind what more evidence do you need to prove he is not infallible.
The way I see it it is one of these things:

  • The Pope is not acting as the infallible envoy for God's word because god isn't real and he's just winging it.
  • The Pope is acting as the infallible envoy for God's word and God totally changed his mind about the whole AIDS in Africa thing after a year.
  • The Pope has gone rogue!

I know losing your faith can be a scary thing at first, and if that is where you are heading I'm rooting you on. You're taking your first steps out of faith though, these questions have answers if you are willing to accept them.


I think I handled myself rather well. For one I didn't swear, which is big news for me considering I love curse words. Nothing seals your point quite like a "fuck".

Out of all of that someone tried to discredit me with (I'm serious here) "He did nothing of the sort, and you do not understand the doctrine of papal infallibility."


Really Bro?  That's what you're going with?

*Cracks my knuckles* Looks like I've got a long night ahead of me.


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Comment by Luis Contreras on November 22, 2011 at 6:35am

give them a good shot or two of logic for me :)

Comment by Carol Foley on November 22, 2011 at 7:49am

Wow! I was banned from the forum after I was reported for evangelizing Atheism.

If only excommunication were so simple.

Comment by Gianni Versatile on November 22, 2011 at 7:58am

What is the wesbite address?

Comment by Carol Foley on November 22, 2011 at 8:16am


I completely disappeared from the thread.

Comment by Gianni Versatile on November 22, 2011 at 1:33pm

Thanks for the link, I hovered it and nothing unusual, just another sect against rationality. LOL

Comment by John Kelly on November 22, 2011 at 11:53pm

When dealing with educated catholics, hit them with Chalcedon and the Apostolic Constitutions.  Chalcedon states not only that Rome had the position it had as head of the Church due to it being the imperial capital, but it elevates Constantinople to her level in church affairs.

The Apostolic constitutions declare that the Bishop of Rome is the head of the Church, but may not impose his will without the majority consent of all of the Bishops.   This totally invalidates Rome's position when it comes to the great schism of 1054 AD.

Rome remains in defiance to Church canon law and the Apostolic Constitutions.


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