Does God Exist? 6 Reasons to Believe

I want u guys keep in mind that is not an attempt to convert or force anyone to believe what I believe. This is also not for the sake of trying "prove" anything but just to give Atheists a sense of why I believe in a God.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

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Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on February 21, 2014 at 4:08pm

Don’t worry GMMAster99 you won’t convert anyone with this stuff. So another “former Atheist” claims that their arguments is actually evidence for the existence of God, i.e. not just any god, but one they can name.

For now I will just deal with one point and it is the most common error made by theists. For all the Science mentioned, Marilyn Adamson does not understand Evolution.

“Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.”

How life began has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution.

If you like here is a complete debunking of the entire article. We will develop it further for you and show you more fallacious errors.

BTW GMMaster99, I see you like your games (me too) but do you really believe that you are to become immortal within the next 100 years?

Could you please list the 3 main reasons, without mentioning the Bible, as to why you believe in your God?

Comment by _Robert_ on February 21, 2014 at 5:11pm

From this:

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun

To this:

God views your relationship with him as permanent.

Come on now, really? Please research the actual origins of your religion and then learn about the sciences. Have the courage use your intellect despite the hellish lies the controlling deluders threaten you with. It's all they have.

 

Comment by Pope Beanie on February 21, 2014 at 5:59pm

Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

OK, say God did it, or God started it. That's fine with me, and in fact it's not the business of science to disprove it. The function of science is to learn the mechanics of how it all happened, and then design things and predict outcomes like medicine, rocket science, how to make it easier and safer for you to drive to work or get an education, how to the blind see, the deaf hear, the crippled move around or walk.

I think that any and all time spent trying to disprove God or supernatural things is wasted, and in fact counterproductive. The good only reason science has to fight religion is when religion attacks science when it conflicts with literal scripture or purported "valid" translations of it.

Creationism is the most obvious example of twisting evolutionary science to support scripture. The harder they try, the harder they'll eventually fall, and perhaps the better they'll learn the difference between faith and science. (At least theistic evolution's main goal is not to twist or supplant evolutionary science.)

Comment by Justin on February 21, 2014 at 7:35pm

@Pope Beanie

As to what u mentioned about Creationism twisting around Evolutionary Science, Could u elaborate on that? (I genuinely want to know your thoughts)

Comment by Justin on February 21, 2014 at 9:06pm

Reg The Fronkey Farmer

As to the main reasons to why I believe in God, without reciting the Bible

1) you've probably heard this one already, the intelligent design argument, for example I find it impossible to believe a random process could create produce as complex as DNA, in the same way an intelligent person like Steve Jobs did in regards the development of Apple Products

2) So as to why I believe in Jesus in particular, I remember the bones of other religious figures being found but in the tomb of Jesus was said to be buried, no bones were found which lead me to believe that Jesus indeed resurrected (I do plan to do more research on this)

3) Another reason as to why I chose to my God/Jesus in particular is that I remember learning about how my God in particular did need not any of us or any of other creation for that matter unlike the other gods, which lead to ponder on the extent of his strength he must have had in his own right, his character, how much I could rely him, how Jesus really didn't need to die on the cross as he could've let God punish us right away without a second thought for all Jesus cared but the thought of him choosing to take on all the punishment we deserved upon himself anyways gave me a sense how much he loved mankind in the same fashion a loving parent would not hold back on making the necessary sacrifices for the good of their children even if it hurts the parents after doing so.

4) As to the topic of evil/suffering in the world, I believe those things occurred because I believe we made it clear to him that we wanted nothing to do with God, and he humbly honored our request by withdrawing his presence, essentially "backing off", then after, evil and suffering occurred because his presence was withdrawn on our request.

As to being an immortal in the next century, no not exactly but in the sense of rising up into Heaven in the Rapture at an unspecified point in time, reigning back down on Earth with him for millennium in unperishable bodies, yes

I have a question for u though, when u mentioned how life began had nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution, could u elaborate on that ? (I mean that just as a genuine question)

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on February 21, 2014 at 9:57pm

1) you've probably heard this one already, the intelligent design argument, for example I find it impossible to believe a random process could create produce as complex as DNA, in the same way an intelligent person like Steve Jobs did in regards the development of Apple Products

That's a personal incredulity fallacy.

The misconception here is that biochemistry is random chance (it isn't) and that complex organization requires direction (it doesn't). Self-organizing principles based on natural (non-random) laws are common in organic chemistry. Complex organic molecules form spontaneously with just basic chemistry and solar or hydrothermal energy: small organic molecules (such as amino acids) catalyze the formation of other small organic molecules (such as nucleic acids or sugars) and create metabolic networks.

2) So as to why I believe in Jesus in particular, I remember the bones of other religious figures being found but in the tomb of Jesus was said to be buried, no bones were found which lead me to believe that Jesus indeed resurrected (I do plan to do more research on this)

Please do that and then post the evidence there is for a historical Jesus. After that, we can address your evidence that supports the claim that Jesus was a god. Failing that there's nothing to discuss or debate.

And now we get into the chaff:

3) Another reason as to why I chose to my God/Jesus in particular is that I remember learning about how my God in particular did need not any of us or any of other creation for that matter unlike the other gods, which lead to ponder on the extent of his strength he must have had in his own right, his character, how much I could rely him, how Jesus really didn't need to die on the cross as he could've let God punish us right away without a second thought for all Jesus cared but the thought of him choosing to take on all the punishment we deserved upon himself anyways gave me a sense how much he loved mankind in the same fashion a loving parent would not hold back on making the necessary sacrifices for the good of their children even if it hurts the parents after doing so.

Lots of claims. No supporting evidence.

4) As to the topic of evil/suffering in the world, I believe those things occurred because I believe we made it clear to him that we wanted nothing to do with God, and he humbly honored our request by withdrawing his presence, essentially "backing off", then after, evil and suffering occurred because his presence was withdrawn on our request.

Today in southern and eastern Africa, 5,500 children under age 5 will die of starvation. This is a slow, miserable, agonizing death. In devoutly religious Africa, surely many parents of these dying children pray to God and cry out for him to use his magical powers to save their children. Please, God let me find food today! Save my baby!

The children die anyway. That's over 2 million children every year.

If a God who answers prayers exists, there are two possibilities: (1) God refuses to help. (2) God is unable to help. If it's the former, then God is a sadistic moral monster. If it's the latter, then God isn't omnipotent and not a God at all.

If a God exists to make the rules, then under His rules teeming millions are born to to little but have their parents watch them suffer and die while pleading to God for his help.

If that's not repulsive enough, it becomes truly grotesque when Christians blame God's rules and inaction on the sufferers themselves or their ancestors: you are descended from people who asked God not to help. In this, you have no say.

Tough luck, Moms and Dads. Better dig another grave. Junior's looking awfully scrawny.

As to being an immortal in the next century, no not exactly but in the sense of rising up into Heaven in the Rapture at an unspecified point in time, reigning back down on Earth with him for millennium in unperishable bodies, yes

Regarding this rapture: are you among 36% of American adults who believe that anyone who doesn't have personal faith in Jesus Christ is destined to spend eternity in hell? 

I have a question for u though, when u mentioned how life began had nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution, could u elaborate on that ? (I mean that just as a genuine question)

Abiogenesis deals with the question of life first arising from nonliving matter. Evolutionary biology deals with the way living organisms change over time. These are two different subjects. Life cannot evolve until life exists.

Comment by _Robert_ on February 21, 2014 at 11:15pm

A few other things to ponder:

(a)Biblical contradictions

http://outofthegdwaye.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/biblical-contradicti...

(b) The argument that "something can't come from nothing" has no merit. First you have to prove that the "nothing" state ( a perfect vacuum?) can even exist and then prove that it did exist at some "time", which makes no sense because time is something. And if there was "nothing", well that's not really true because you need a god that is "outside" of the universe, whatever that means.

The Bible is an attempt of a desert tribe at explaining things, same as the Greeks/Romans and the Egyptians did, and they borrowed a lot of the old stories. There is nothing revealed in the Bible that a bronze age person would not be able to conjure up,

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on February 21, 2014 at 11:47pm

I have a question for u though, when u mentioned how life began had nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution, could u elaborate on that?

Here is a link to a good explanation of Evolution. It is important to know what Evolution is not just as it is to understand what it is. First you should understand what a Theory is, in the scientific sense. It is a collection of facts into one sphere of knowledge and not “just some idea”. Evolution is a proven fact and has been proven for a long time. There is also a difference between “Darwinism” and Modern Evolutionary Theory. Evolution explains how life evolved. The theory of abiogenesis is about how life started. If a god created humans or if we came from amino acids inside a meteorite or a hot pool of bubbling mud, Evolution and the Tree of Life would still be just as valid. Claiming to know the truth about how life began on Earth and having a personal relationship with that creator who will eventually make you immortal for believing that is a bit much, don’t you think? Anyway enjoy the video. I will address the other points later...

Comment by Justin on February 22, 2014 at 1:52am

Gallup's Mirror

keep in mind I still wasn't trying to prove anything especially since I was particularly addressing Reg The Fronkey Farmer's questions in a general sense, and another thing,  I don't like to explain everything at once since I just want people to absorb as much info. at a time about whatever Im talking about before I move on to share other related info

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on February 22, 2014 at 3:37am

keep in mind I still wasn't trying to prove anything

Thanks GMMaster99, I will.

You should keep in mind that most folks on TA are dismissive of claims presented without proof and of claimants who avoid questions about what they claim.

especially since I was particularly addressing Reg The Fronkey Farmer's questions in a general sense,

In a public forum you're addressing everyone when you answer questions and make statements.

and another thing,  I don't like to explain everything at once since I just want people to absorb as much info. at a time about whatever Im talking about before I move on to share other related info

Really, GMM99. If you expect to share while people absorb until you move on to share more (and you dislike being asked to explain) then you're in for a rude awakening.

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