I was talking to my friend about how when I go places and people talk to me like I'm a "normal" guy but then when they find out I'm an Atheist, their attitude changes like night and day. I was at a restaurant not too long ago and my friends were talking about going to church. So they had asked me if I wanted to go to church right before I was about to order so I said "No thanks guys, I don't believe in that stuff." The cashier gave me a dirty look and said "I'm not serving you." I asked why not and she said "You know why, how about you go to church instead?" I told her "Yea? Well, how about you go to a gym and loose some weight instead?" as she was walking away to get someone else to take my order. I just spit on the cash register, spilled soda over the counter and barged out as I was flipping off the people working in the back, I don't think I had ever been that angry before.


But anyway, I told my friend that and she said that I deserved it! I couldn't believe it! "How do I deserve to be treated like that?!" I told her. She said that I deserved it because it was insulting to the person who was taking my order....Like the fact that she wasn't going to serve me a grilled chicken sandwich wasn't insulting to me. I told her to flip it around, like if I DID believe in that mumbo jumbo and the cashier was an Atheist, she said that the cashier would have to serve me because I was a paying customer. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, my friend is so dense and such a bigot to say that I deserve how I get treated because I don't believe in fairy tales. What kind of world to we live in?

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Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on July 25, 2011 at 8:36pm

Religion can and does make people bigoted especially the fundamentalists. You need to understand that they are suffering from a delusion but reacting with anger or any behaviour that may be considered threatening does not do anyone any good. If she refused to serve you could have made a smart comment like “That is very Christian of you!!” This would have given her and your friends something to think about. Instead you left them with a validation of their belief that Atheists are bad people. As for “the kind of world we live in” there are places where people get stoned to death or badly beaten for claiming to be an Atheist. Bear that in mind the next time you think you are being insulted. Remember good manners don’t cost anything. Rise above it and be a better example to others.

Comment by Alan Goldstein on July 25, 2011 at 8:56pm

I think you need a new friend.

I remember when I told one of my bosses I was an Atheist. He smiled at me like someone who had just stepped in dog crap, and didn’t want anyone to know. Needless to say, it was downhill from there.

Comment by James on July 25, 2011 at 9:19pm

You didn't deserve that in the slightest. Also, you weren't insulting the server by saying you don't believe. In fact that's not an insult to anyone. Furthermore, you weren't even talking to the server. She butted in on a conversation she was not part of and revealed the fact that she's bigoted. It's also sad that your friend couldn't understand your hypothetical. But I must return to the idea that you simply saying you don't believe is in any way an insult... Is it an insult if you were asked if you want an appetizer and say that 'sorry, I'm not that hungry". What if you're offered coffee and say you don't like coffee. Or if you say you're a Yankees fan and the person you're talking to is a Red Sox fan. All of those are differences of opinion, NOT insults.


All that said, I must say that your reaction at the restaurant was immature and unwarranted. You should have just gotten the manager and reported her behavior. Heck you may have ended up with a free meal, rather than looking like an ass and allowing her to get away with her horrible attitude.



Comment by Derek on July 25, 2011 at 9:26pm

Is that not illegal? Discrimination etc?

@Reg the Fronkey. I know it's better to try to curtail anger but anger is often justified. If this happened to a Muslim or Christian would you tell them to rise above it and be a better example to others? The way I see it: the woman is paid to serve all paying customers, she is not paid to make political or religious statements, thus she is a bigoted fuckwit and should be fired on the spot.


Comment by Kairan Nierde on July 25, 2011 at 9:49pm

Unless your tone of voice was exceedingly rude, she had no reason to be offended.  Even if she were offended, she ought to understand customer service involves serving people with different beliefs.  From what you've described, I see nothing that justifies her behavior. You didn't deserve it. 


BUT, if her reaction was way over the top, yours was even more extreme.  You need to learn to respond, not REACT.  You just can't fly off the handle like that.  Why?  A)  You're making atheists look spiteful.  B)  You're likely to get banned from places or your friends won't want to be seen with you.  C)  You're going to get your ass kicked one day for spitting. 

Comment by Rick on July 25, 2011 at 9:54pm

@James. Do you know any Red Sox fans? ... like the ones in Boston? The very fact anyone is a Yankees fan is an insult. You might as well have insulted their mother. I'm joking of course... but not really. They're hardcore... almost like a religion.

Comment by Jess Schonberg on July 25, 2011 at 10:28pm

I have to be honest: your response was ridiculous. All you've really done is, for that woman, confirmed the idea that she has in her mind that Atheists are horrible people. 


Granted, she was absolutely OUT OF LINE. But, instead of throwing a temper tantrum, you could have been a grown up and reported her to her manager. It would have been a much larger impact on her, and you would have shown that, for all your lack of faith, you are still a perfectly reasonable human being. Instead, you made an ass out of yourself and, in the minds of any believer who saw you in there, Atheists in general. Thanks for that. 

Comment by Dustin on July 25, 2011 at 11:12pm
I don't think you should have reacted like that , but you did and it's in the past now. With that said , if a server did that at the places I was a server at , they would be fired almost immediately.

If I were you , I would have spoken to one of the managers. If that didn't work , I would have asked the manager in charge for the information to their HR number , their bosses and their corporate numbers as well to tell them you will be filing a customer complaint for discrimination and possible legal action.

I also would have contacted a local newspaper or other local media. You could have gone about it more professionally than you did and you probably just reinforced the christian mentality that atheists are just angry people....

What that server did was illegal. It's the same as saying 'I don't serve niggers'.
Comment by Boatman on July 26, 2011 at 8:06am

Concur with all of the above - a pique of temper was NOT what was called for.


Using the law to counter the cashiers' actions, while taking far longer and requiring more effort on your part, is ultimately much more satisfying.

Comment by Robert Karp on July 26, 2011 at 8:23am

Maybe his response was not ideal, but let's cut Seth some slack here.


Look unless we know all about his life, and what type of bigotry he comes into contact with only a daily basis, and what else is going on we have no right to judge his actions in such a way. How do you know how you would've reacted at the spur of the moment when your friends and everyone around you was mouthing off to you about something you care deeply about. Who here hasn't lost their temper? I certainly have especially when it comes to intolerance.


Having said all that, I do think Seth's frustration and anger could've been expressed in a different way, and his feelings heard. What would you of all done? If you simple "rise above it" and walk out, then they still win and still have a negative perception of an atheist. How can we both make a point and at the same time make them feel like morons?


UsuallyScarlett said talk to the manager, which I think is a good idea. But if the manager sides with the waitress because if he/she sides with you maybe they lose business. It's tricky. I would stand outside with a sign that says this restaurant discriminated against me. Take action. Go to the local newspaper. Be heard.


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