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Recently, the United Nations has been moving to give homosexual persons special status under international human rights legislation – but not if the church has anything to say about it. The church, you see, has a longstanding history of not exactly supporting homosexuality or the rights of homosexual persons. And on the heels of the UN trying to make this legislative move, the Church is playing a dishonest semantic game, in efforts to maintain the status-quo.
Comment by Brian Bridson on April 3, 2011 at 1:41pm
Comment by Galen on April 3, 2011 at 5:21pm
Comment by Brian Bridson on April 3, 2011 at 5:57pm It is not a step in the right direction. If this distinction is legally accepted, it would allow states to prohibit homosexual behaviours because doing so would not violate any rights to freedom of thought, preference or feelings. But if permitted, people would be prohibited from expressing themselves sexually as they feel or compelled (between consenting adults).
Forget that they have no evidence for this distinction, they also have no evidence to support their claims that homosexuality is wrong or sexually deviant. This alone means they have no business/authority telling people how to be when it comes to their sex lives (or moral lives), much less trying to have their hatred enacted into law.
There is nothing positive about this whatsoever.
Comment by Galen on April 3, 2011 at 9:02pm
Comment by Brian Bridson on April 4, 2011 at 6:43am What about this is positive? The catholic church is justifying the discrimination of homosexuals. It is also doing so while in attendance in the UN while it is trying to provide homosexuals with the special status under international human rights legislation. Over and above their despicable treatment of and attitude towards homosexuals, it is actively involved in UN processes that could influence its decision.
This was not a statement made in isolation of law...it was made to affect the status of homosexuals under law. This is unacceptable.
Comment by Galen on April 4, 2011 at 5:01pm Brian, I still don't understand why you think this has anything to do with the law. The Church says LOTS of crazy things, they don't become our laws just because the Church says it, lol. I know that sometimes it may SEEM like the Church says something and our elected officials jump to see how fast they can kiss the Pope's ass and do what he wants, but that really isn't the way it works.
As for how this is a positive thing. Well, I didn't call it positive, nor would I. I said it's a step in the right direction. The Church started out from a position that homosexuals were inherently evil, through and through. Now they seem to take a position of gays not being inherently evil and it's ok for them to be the way they are, just not to act on it. That IS a step forward from thinking they're just plain evil, heart and soul.
See, Brian, you have to understand the long-term working of Christians churches operating in a secular world. They start out completely condemned something new and "sinful." As secular society accepts something more and more, the churches begin to realize that their ass-backwards thinking is unacceptable by society at large, so they move very very slowly toward acceptance of this thing. That's what they're doing right now. They're giving a little ground while still holding onto their fundamental statement of "this is wrong."
Just like with the abolition of slavery, the rights of women to vote, the civil rights movement, and a hundred other things the Church has opposed throughout history, they will very slowly come around. Fifty to a hundred years from now, they'll have no problem with gays and will act like they never did!
It's a process can be shown in a study of the history of controversial things the church has dealt with. Perhaps I see it as a step forward because I'm looking at the WHOLE process and I see this as just another step in their standard journey toward acceptance. It's how they always do it. Nothing new here, bro.
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