Creationists make me want to smoke crack.

I don't know why I talk to religious people anymore when they ask me about what I believe. I invariably end up frustrated. I'm frustrated.

Maybe it's just the nature of two opposing opinions converging that they will ultimately slip into defensive and combative positions. I'm just tired of being 'reached out to' by theists who insist they are only curious about atheism and want to ask me some questions who end up arguing with me about atheism instead of actually listening to what I have to say.

You know, that curiosity they claimed was the reason we began to talk in the first place? Oh - never existed. Just an excuse to get my guard down. Awesome. We call that lyin' fer Jesus 'round these parts and it's really unattractive.

I admit it, man, I'm gullible. I want to believe that people are, for the most part, good intentioned and when someone says they're curious they are most likely curious. It makes sense - I'm curious about things too.

And maybe I'm right, maybe most people DO have good intentions and the tragedy is that one person's good intention is another person's insult. Maybe for some people good intentions justify deceit. But at one point are those people justifying deceit to themselves as good intentions in order to give themselves an excuse to be a liar?

Anyway, I'll keep talking to the theists that come my way. I'm frustrated right now because it's frustrating when you feel you've been deceived. It's especially frustrating when the person who deceived you will most likely never understand why what they did was in any way deceitful.

Maybe I'm just too sensitive.

Regardless, I'll still talk to theists because I feel like curiosity in any form may be a budding promise of critical thought. While I don't really concern myself with other people's beliefs too much, I'd like to think if someone by chance did reach out to me that I was at least compassionate enough of a person to answer their questions and give them a few minutes of my life. In order to keep myself open for that, I'll have to suffer through what a doped up Bart Simpson would categorize as 'time burglars.'

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Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 11, 2010 at 6:39am
Wow...that was very well written. I certainly wish I could write like you. I'm an aspiring Christian author. And thank you for putting up with little old theists like myself, we appreciate it. And I'm not at all being sarcastic. I do tend to learn allot speaking with atheists. So thank you from the bottom of my titty bitty theist heart.
Comment by Pinko Commie on February 11, 2010 at 3:49pm
I don't have any interest in talking to proselytizing Christians either. I don't know of many people on earth who are patient enough to willingly engage in conversations in which everything they have to say is going to be completely ignored.

If anyone strikes up a conversation with me because they're curious about something and they think I may be able to answer a question, I'll always be open to that. It frustrates me, however, when it becomes obvious that the person who engaged me in conversation was disingenuous about being curious in the first place in order to proselytize. It's a waste of time and makes me feel like an idiot for even trying.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 12, 2010 at 2:02am
I've read over all the comments and I realize one important thing about all the atheists present here. You don't understand a think about Christians. Not ONE THING!!! Gospel of Matthew 26 gives the commission of Jesus Christ to all who follow him. It says go into all the world, baptize in the name of Jesus, teach, preach the Kingdom of God. A Christian has no other reason for living other than to do what Jesus says. So if you don't want to hear it, then don't talk to a Christian period. Don't do me any favors. For us, it's like seeing a good friend get run over by a car in the street. Simply can't help but warn that friend. Hence, I simply can't help but want to share the message of Jesus Christ. I read so much of the bible, it's hard not to say anything.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 12, 2010 at 2:14am
I even see Atheists present who say they read the bible, but really don't understand it. I saw one guy giving their understanding of Genesis 2, a Christian would read that and think, he's got it all wrong. Then that Christian would proceed to enlightening that guy about the actually meaning of the text. The bible is thousands of years old, what makes you think you can simply read it at face value and get the full meat of it. You have a hard time reading Shakespeare which is only a few hundred years old, much less reading the bible which is a few thousand. Atheists, please get a clue.
Comment by Pinko Commie on February 12, 2010 at 2:15am
When you resort to capslock typing with gratuitous exclamation points, it doesn't make your illogical claims any more factual.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 12, 2010 at 2:16am
So thanks for being patient, we theists will continue to do the same.
Comment by Pinko Commie on February 12, 2010 at 2:20am
I respect the Bible just as much as I respect Homer's Odyssey or any other ancient mythology. I would be just as annoyed if someone lied to me about wanting to have a conversation so that they could tell me the god news about Zeus.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 12, 2010 at 10:58am
Jeam-Marie, that is a really good question. For those who weren't listening she asked: Trevauhn, how do you decide which stuff in the bible is true....and which stuff is to be disregarded? well Jean Marie, when I sit down to read or study the bible, I take every area into consideration. But not everything is taken to face. What do you mean Trevauhn? when I first started out, it was important for me to get a good understanding of the New Testament (which is far more relevant to us today). Having that understanding of the New Testament, showed me how the Old Testament fit into the scheme of things. For me that was the easiest. The main reason why I look at the New Testament is because of Jesus and his death on the cross. I take all the laws and commands from the Old Testament, pass it through the Jesus' death on the Cross and see what stands. It sounds complicated, but just start reading and you'll understand. You know what, i'll write a blog about this, because it's such a good question, I don't want to pass up this opportunity to answer it with coherence.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 12, 2010 at 11:02am
But one thing before I do that Jean Marie, what's your definition of truth. Are you asking if the bible is true historically? That makes a huge difference in the way I answer the question.
Comment by Trevauhn Grant on February 12, 2010 at 11:51am
Shine, please recognize the difference between the comparisons...please... Not need for cheap shots. I figure everyone else here is talking pretty tough so I kinda like this tough talk and decided to join the conversation. But no need to act dumb as if you don't know what I'm comparing.

Now you do have a great question: I answered that same question for another atheist friend of mine. She was allot nicer though. I would answer your question, but I have a feeling that it wouldn't even matter. Why? Because making the bible more clear and concise and error free would still not make you believe. would it?! I guarantee that if the bible was written in today's language and free from error and as relevant as you can make it, you would still reject it. So in reality even if i had proof to back up my claims and answer all your questions, you would come up with something else to give yourself the excuse for not worshiping God. Yes God is Good, he is very Good, but he also has very good common sense. And think about it, if he made you, a fragile woman with emotions and feelings, don't you think he has the same thing. But he's more of a gentle man than you think, so he's not going to force himself on anyone who doesn't really want him. If you don't honestly want God, you're not going to understand the bible. It's like an inside joke between two lovers. If you're not one of the lover, you're just not gonna get da joke. That's the difference between Homer and the Living Word, the Holy Scriptures, aka the Bible.

Anyways, I wrote a blog on this, because it was such a great question, thank you Shine. I see that you're thinking some really good stuff. http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/why-are-gods-words-so-ob...

I think you're still misunderstanding my original comment about misinterpreting the bible, but that doesn't matter I guess.

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