Look I understand the disgust about the crossbeams. I actually agree that the whole "God is with us in this rubble" is offensive and another example of Christians turning a blind eye to how their god doesn't actually do anything.


David Silverman is being an asshole about it.

An atom David? Really?

I'm a hardcore atheist and I don't find comfort in a fuckdamned atom. I find comfort in humanity, human triumph over adversity. Our ability to realize when another is suffering.


So mentioning that, those Christians are suffering, we can't overlook their humanity in all of this. As humanists we should be better than that. Give them their fucking crossbeam. It won't burn you to look at it, you don't believe in their theology.  It may be govt. funded (partially) but it came to mean some piece of comfort to them.

I am not saying we should tolerate religion either. We should continue to voice our disgust at the misbehavior of deists and theists. Letting up on their bigotry and illogical hatred is not an option.


Maybe I am wording this all wrong.

I'm anti-religion, but I still want to be compassionate to those assholes, even if they are saying some of the most hateful shit I have ever seen.



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Comment by Stephen Walski on August 24, 2011 at 12:00am

I think your absolutely correct and worded it just perfect.



Comment by Derek on August 24, 2011 at 12:38am

It seems the AA are barking up the wrong tree here with a petty piece of litigation and a complete waste of money that could be spent furthering atheists' causes (which this is not). Even so, I personally find it disturbing to commemorate the murder of 3000 people by erecting a symbol of torture. I also feel sorry for those who find meanings and patterns in meaningless things. These people actually believe in a god who caused a tragedy in order to leave a message for them in the rubble.

And it should also be fair to all the other diverse shapes and symbols that were found at the site, and make sure to display them all side by side. Surely there was a giant A to be made there among the mangled steel.

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on August 24, 2011 at 4:31am

I am a hard core, froth at the mouth on stupidity of xians, BUT pick your battles. This is just seen as mean spirited. Let them have their cross. It just puts us in a bad light. No kudos for us in this.

Comment by Jeremy Lester on August 24, 2011 at 4:49am
Any battle is a good battle. We're right on this. They don't need to put a cross there. Period. If ONLY christians died, sure, but that's not the case. Either no cross, or put symbols for ALL beliefs that died that die. One or none. Nothing in between.
Comment by Doug Reardon on August 24, 2011 at 2:09pm

I find it odd that xtians took it as a symbol of hope, to me it looked like god signing his work.

Comment by Kairan Nierde on August 24, 2011 at 3:43pm

The cross is going in the museum, no?  This is what I read when the story first broke: there was a misunderstanding about the location of the cross. I have no problems with the cross going in the museum, since the cross will be part of an exhibit documenting America's cultural reaction to 911 and not part of a state-sanctioned memorial to the dead.  In the museum exhibit there will also be a star of David, forged from WTC salvaged steel.  It is undeniable that large sectors of our population turned to religion in the days after 911.  To understand our behavior over the last decade, future generations need to see what mindset was like after 911...  I don't think the museum exhibit would be complete without it.

Comment by Dustin on August 24, 2011 at 7:42pm

It's absolutely offensive and absurd that anyone would find hope in a religious symbol after what was a religious suicide attack by Islamic extremists.  It's repugnant.  Disgusting.  An atrocious denial of ones rational faculties.  


I feel atheists should be expressing this ... but I agree, Silverman and AA is not handling this well.  They should just use satire and make fun of the irony ... not make it all official and try to make a legal case , which I believe has no substance at all.  



Comment by Don Leonard on August 24, 2011 at 9:54pm
They said when they found the beams it proved to them that god was with them and never deserted them. Really? Tell that to the 3000 people that lost their lives. If their god was there, the asshole should of stopped those planes instead of leaving a sign buried in the rubble. When will christians see that their god is a monster!


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