Why would an almighty god as Abrahamic religions picture it to be, couldn't be clear enough when it was giving it's words?
Assuming they aren't errors, as apologists make it sound like with their famous Saying "Allah and his messenger knows best" or "You have to dig deep in the quran to understand". I think I did. Moreover, the deeper you go in the quran, the more you will realize that there is nothing holy about it. You will realize that it is just the ideas, fiction and a collection of pre-historic stories by a man, or several but started with a man, that just wanted fame and power.
Let's look closely at this verse in the quran - "Christ to allah is like Adam, created him from dirt (sand) then allah said "Be" and there he is" Quran(3:59)
{ إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِنْدَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِنْ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُنْ فَيَكُونُ} (آل عمران-٥٩)
I am translating the words literally.
Now, the first thing I will just note really quickly before anything is allah said "Be and there he is"
‏{ثم قال له كن فيكون}
While the correct way should've been "Be and there he was"
‏{ثم قال له كن فكان}
Just pointing to a grammar flaw that god (allah) had made. I mean an almighty and all knowing, can't even correctly say the above sentence?
Moving on, I don't understand dirt (sand). If he claims that he created humans from material found on Earth, why couldn't he be clear about the condition of the material. In the previous verse he said dirt(sand). In Quran(37:11) "We(allah) created him from strong mud"
‏{ۚإِنَّا خَلَقْنَاهُمْ مِنْ طِينٍ‏‎ ‎لَازِبٍ} (الصافات١١)
Is it Mud or dirt?.
Let's see what else we can find. In Quran (15:26) "We(allah) created humans from clay, from old mud"
‏{وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ} (الحجر ٢٦)
We have now Clay, dirt, and mud (old or new).
Also, we can find that in Quran (55:14) "Made humans from Pottery like clay"
{خَلَقَ الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ كَالْفَخَّارِ} (الرحمن ١٤)
Is god getting confused? Was it a complicated process he forgot? Can't make up his mind? All of the above are not fit for an almighty god. Then, what is it?
It is clearly unusual way from almighty allah trying to teach his creations and worshippers, while he is not sure how he made them to begin with?
Add to all that In Quran (21:30)"We(allah) made everything alive from water"
‏{و جعلنا من الماء كل شئ حي} (الأنبياء ٣٠)
As in water alone? How did he fail to mention any other elemen there?.
Surely, allah can be more clear than this. The quran said in Surrat Al Qamar (chapter 54) verses (17,22,32,40) that it is easy and clear, speaking about the quran and its verses. That's just one chapter.
If it is clear. Then, yes it is easy and clear that it is absolute rubbish.
Going back to our first verse about Jesus.
If Jesus was created like Adam then shoved in Mary's uterus, then maybe it would make sense.History, however, says she was pregnant for nine months, like a normal human being carrying a normal human baby.
If Christ was created like Adam then it should've been an instant birth, but history (the many reported stories) says he wasn't born instantly. If Mary was real, then Mary had sex and Jesus had a father, A human father.
MHI©2012
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Mary had a little c**k, little c**k, little c**k.
Mary had a little c**k, it wasn't even long.
And after that one night stand, one night stand, one night stand.
And after that one night stand, then jesus sure was born!

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Comment by RobertPiano on November 25, 2012 at 3:00pm

"You have to dig deep in the quran to understand". I think I did. Moreover, the deeper you go in the quran, the more you will realize that there is nothing holy about it. You will realize that it is just the ideas, fiction and a collection of pre-historic stories by a man, or several but started with a man, that just wanted fame and power.

I have similar issues with the bible, but more importantly; If you look into the contributions that Arabic or Persians have made to science; it is mind blowing.

Arab scholars even theorized about evolution, arriving at conclusions that anticipated Darwin. In 1377, nearly half a millennium before the 1859 publication of On the Origin of Species, the Tunisian-born historiographer Ibn Khaldun, renowned as one of the founders of sociology, asserted in Al-Muqaddimah (Prolegomena), “The animal kingdom was developed, its species multiplied, and in the gradual process of Creation, it ended in man & arising from the world of the monkeys.”

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200703/rediscovering.arabic.s...

It saddens me to see what happened to Arabic Secularism. IMHO, the west is largely to blame.

Comment by Aiken Drums Sister on November 26, 2012 at 5:57am

I don't know anything about the Quran, but I do have a friend that actually thought that men had one less ribs than women because that missing rib was what god made women out of.  When several medical friends (a doctor, 2 nurses, even a chiropractor) explained that men and women have the same number of ribs, she lost her mind... until she rationalized that god replaced Adam's missing rib, so all is well in her noggin!

So to answer your question, women were created from ribs that were replaced by other, newer ribs, much like first wives are replaced by second (trophy) wives.

Comment by mohammed ibrahim on November 26, 2012 at 1:03pm
@RobertoPiano There might some truth to the claim that Arabs were discoverers and inventors but that was before islam's curroption of their reason. A lot of the scientists are actually persian but came to the land not really arabs. If you want to read the history of arabs don't read it from Arabic websites, they are good at fabricating history.
Comment by mohammed ibrahim on November 26, 2012 at 1:07pm
@Aiken Drums Sister oh trust me that's not the only absolute craziness they believe. They believe in far worst crazy. It wasn't really a question, just a title for the article. :)
Comment by RobertPiano on November 26, 2012 at 8:54pm

@mohammed, Thank you that is a good point. As an engineering student (80's) I met so many Arab and Persian students, we helped each other in studies. Religion was never discussed, and I never saw them bow to Mecca. I wonder if they were even religious.

Comment by mohammed ibrahim on November 26, 2012 at 9:48pm
@RobertPiano If they are secular. They probably weren't religious. It helps when you are growing up in a secular state or they were just doing their rituals when you weren't around. They don't have a time constraint.

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