I don't feel one can rationally make general claims about "religions" or "religion". Such attempts by atheists show their emotional agenda has trumped their rational skills. And to do so with a claim of superior rationality reveals a destructive emotional habit. IMHO.

Religion is an abstract notion and too slippery given the varieties of entities out there that can be slipped into various understandings of the word. Thus, generalizations are unsuccessful. Misunderstanding the nature of language, or of this word is thus often the source of this problem.

[this is my first "blog" on this site -- giving it a try!]

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Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 6:30am
@ doone
I was kind of experimenting with this site. I post long posts on my personal site:Triangulations.
You are right, examples of such generalizations would help.
First, here are some anomalies for what many Atheists think fit into the word "religion":
1. some religions have not gods or spirits
2. some religions don't feel nonadherents have a different fate than adherents
I think those two may illustrate some of my point. (thanks for the suggestion)
Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 7:26am
Thanx, doone. I joined one group. I only found one Group and added it. Still finding my way around the site and wondering if it is useful. I just canceled my Facebook because of the lack of depth and business -- both of which I do not value.
Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 7:52am
@ Doone: not sure I follow you. Pls e-mail me at my gmail account which uses my full name.

@ Fred: I am not "sympathetic to religion" any more than I "hate religion". Religion is too abstract a word to use it meaningfully. Instead, we need to focus our analysis. My post title is not saying "Atheists are Close-Minded" but instead "Here is how even Atheists can be Close-Minded". Maybe that is how you thought I was being antagonistic. Funny how sensitive and protective many atheists are to the title "atheist" -- must like Christians or Buddhists or other religious folks are defensive of their group. We all share far more than we imagine.
Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 7:57am
@ Fred
You said, "their logic lock them into ..."
When you are locked, your mind is closed.
But I can't follow you well. We may agree more than not.
Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 9:12am
@ Fred -- end of "conversation".
Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 11:14am
Hey Michel:

Some forms of Buddhism have neither 1 or 2. Why do you think they still call them "religion"? I think because it is a very broad -- uninformative word. We have "supernatural" (which is itself a bit weak) and we have "superstitious" which is certainly not the domain of only the religious.

Are you familiar with these issues?
Comment by Kris Potter on November 25, 2010 at 11:19am
I'd argue that everyone is closed minded Sabio most of all the religious who rule out all other religions as the proper pathway to "God". Atheists simply choose not to partake in any of that nonsense
Comment by Apple on November 25, 2010 at 11:25am
This looks like a job for QuailaSoup!
Sabio, please watch:

Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 11:28am
@ Kris: I agree that everyone is close-minded in many ways. But nothing worse than having a holier-than-thou attitude, don't you agree. Theists often do this with their gods and Atheists with their "rationality" and "open-mindedness".
We all live partitioned lives -- and most of us think we don't.
But then, most drivers think 90% of other drivers are idiots.

@Apple: pls annotate a link to explain to a reader why they should click your link. Pls don't expect it.
Comment by Sabio Lantz on November 25, 2010 at 11:48am
@ Apple: Qualia, as usual, is excellent.
But I feel even Atheists hold certain things precious in their lives which they are close-minded about:
"Self" (I write much about this on my site)
and much more.
There is a great post on "The Edge" where famous scientists admit things they believe in but can not prove.


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