Church and State to a close minded Christian

I changed some things as to not imply any particular person, but as a people whom
are having trouble understanding the difference between church and state.

This is a comment I did on Justin's blog. To help some people in their that were
literally refusing to accept the separation of church and state.
they were only using christian based quotes from the presidents instead of
looking at the rest of the quotes that obviously disagreed with most of the
christian faith.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog...
MySpace.com Blogs - Justin 2.0 is Magnifying Asmodeus MySpace Blog


So if you want to join in, he says its an open game blog.




A substantial majority of presidents have been formal members of a particular church or religious body, and a specific affiliation can be assigned to every president from Garfield on. For many earlier presidents, however, formal church membership was forestalled until they left office; and in several cases a president never joined any church. Conversely, though every president from Washington to John Quincy Adams can be definitely assigned membership in an Anglican or Unitarian body, the significance of these affiliations is frequently downplayed as being unrepresentative of their true beliefs.
The pattern of religious adherence has changed dramatically over the course of United States history, and thus the pattern of presidential affiliations is quite unrepresentative of modern membership numbers. For example, Episcopalians are extraordinarily well represented among the presidents, compared to a current membership of about 2% of the population. This is in part because the Episcopal Church had been the Church of England prior to the American Revolution, and was the state religion in some states (such as New York and Virginia[5]). The first seven presidents listed as Episcopalians were all from Virginia. Unitarians and Quakers are also overrepresented, reflecting their importance as colonial churches. Conversely, Baptists are underrepresented, a reflection of their quite recent expansion in numbers; and with the exception of Kennedy, Catholics are entirely absent, though they are the single largest body in modern times.
While many presidents did not formally join a church until quite late in life, there is a genre of tales of deathbed conversions. By and large these are held by biographers to be dubious, though the baptism of Polk is well-documented.



Pretty much the presidents that some people think were atheists. Really and truly understood the difference between their job and their private life. They were not atheists. And even if some were. What difference would it have made to run the government office. There is nothing in common between the church and state. They are separate institutions.

Now today, since the constitution is getting in the way of so many brutal, and intoxicating agendas of the christian presidency. they decided to ignore a main line of the constitution that states.


The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. It has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.[1]



Now since some people are having a hard time accepting the fact that this Country was founded on free thinking and a vision for a disconnection to the Protestant/Christian bound England.

It would be a plus in this debate. To separate CHURCH FROM STATE. And think on both levels with open ideas.

here is some more:

Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.
Thomas Jefferson


Now if that doesn't remind you of the religious crap that people who don't want or wish to believe are going threw.
Than people are only looking where they want to. So they are not swayed of their belief.
Typically that is called CLOSED MINDED or as Jefferson calls it:

A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit.
Thomas Jefferson


But you see I'm sure there are many people in the world that are not of any faith but are spiritually free. And enjoy what the conscience teaches them. The concept of Spirit is simply defined by its reason. Outward or Inward.

And with that all I have to quote is:

Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.
Thomas Jefferson


The Churches in this Country DO NOT pay taxes. Therefore they are Dependent on its Nation to continue.

Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor - over each other.
Thomas Jefferson


Why are all the different organized religions of this world fighting with each other when they believe the same dam thing??? I really would love that answered.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
Thomas Jefferson


Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
Thomas Jefferson

And last but not least

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
Thomas Jefferson


Now I decided to find the quotes centered on a realistic point of view.
A point of view that will never be disturbed by a faith.

Reason, Ideas, Theories, Facts are what we all should look for.
The ideas of religion are too old for today.

People can keep their faith as long as they enter in mind the changes that will occur in any story, or Historical ideal.

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