Comment by Aric on June 20, 2010 at 12:50pm

"You believe in a god? EVOLUTION! RAAAAGH!"

Yeah...so I'm pretty sure nobody here talks like that.

"What's a god-day?"

A cop-out.

Comment by Timothy Gentle on June 20, 2010 at 12:59pm

True. No one here talks like that. I'm sorry if I caused any offence, the thing is that I see massive parts of the bible as exactly what you called a god-day. A cop-out. Since posting this, which I admit I didn't think through that thoroughly, I've been talking to my friend about how this could work. The thing about a day is it can be classed as a period in which something is done. Maybe not the dictionary definition, but still... This is just a theory to work with.

Comment by Eric Lawson on June 20, 2010 at 2:52pm

The problem with this is it makes the false assumption that the people who wrote it a couple of thousand years ago(or whatever) knew something about science and the cosmos.

Comment by Renshia on June 20, 2010 at 4:16pm

Any one can write a vague story that can be manipulated into looking like a resemblance of something more accurate. Give us one reason to believe that any divine inspiration is involved with that?
Either it is an accurate accounting given to us in order to understand or, it is a vague script that is meaningless, you decide.

Comment by Lindsey on June 20, 2010 at 5:53pm

I was going to write a long drawn-out reply about solar-system formation, the long term effects of large impacts on climate and plantlife, and how the earth was still molten when the collision that formed the moon occured but then I decided it was pointless because anyone who finds any merit in an argument like this probably isn't too concerned with reality anyway.

Comment by Gaytor on June 20, 2010 at 6:59pm

Genesis claims that seed bearing plants existed before animals exist. How did these seed bearing plants spread their seeds? What are you considering a day in terms of time? The 1000 years mentioned in John? If so then we are talking about plants existing for 2000 years with no bees, humming birds, etc?

Ardipithecus existed 4 million years ago. Over what period of "day" did Ardi evolve into Lucy, to Java, to modern?

Humans are the ultimate super-power creature and dominate everything. This ties in nicely with the title of the evolution blog that I did last week. Believing that because we are at the top given the very specific circumstances that exist today means nothing in regards to our longevity, or how well we will always do. Survival of the fittest is not the best understanding of Darwin. It's survival of the fittest for the conditions that exist. One day conditions may change the nullify our survivability. Believing that the world was created for us blocks out the drive to keep that in mind. Ignoring science because humans can't destroy what God created is a common argument, and one that is detrimental.

To believe in Old Earth, you must deny the lineage from Adam to Jesus which then nullifies Jesus as a messiah and his claim to be the messiah as laid out in Daniel and Isaiah. The Bible makes 1000's of specific claims that are inconsistent with the world as we know it. Evolution is just one of them.

Comment by Blue Sage on June 20, 2010 at 11:51pm

Even if you somehow solve every other problem with this argument, there is no way some earlier species (not "monkeys" btw) evolved into two human individuals (Adam & Eve) and those two bred through incest to produce us. This is simply because humans (homo sapiens) first appeared 200-250 thousand years ago and genetic evidence shows that (effective, that is, breeding) population size in the human lineage never dropped below a few thousand (let alone to two) at least for the last 35 million years: http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/10/1/2.pdf

Comment by Timothy Gentle on June 21, 2010 at 2:57am

I seem to have been really vague and not thought this one through properly... And therefore ended up being wrong. This is a good thing for once... Thanks for all the feedback.

Comment by Peter Price on June 21, 2010 at 5:36pm

Tim, next time you want to post something like this... you may wanna check up with someone before posting it =P ... 'cause when you showed it to me I pointed out somethings which you agreed should be changed... but it was too late...
Anyway, it was a good idea to think in the christian point of view, to show people the counter-arguments etc...

@Gaytor
Seed bearing plants... do you mean fruit and stuff?
Because seeds spread in many ways, including being caught by the wind (eg: dandelions), plants propelling the seeds themselves (eg: peas), and fruit... well, they fall off a tree, rot, then the seeds are in a sort of compost... but i do see your point... some seeds are more easily/only spread via animals =]

Comment by Peter Price on June 21, 2010 at 5:38pm

Oh, and @Eric Lawson
I now think that religion was invented due to the lack of scientific knowledge, humans back then didn't want all these questions unanswered ... so they thought "There must be a greater power involved!"
So yeah... I approve of your comment! =P

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