Many of the Christians I have regular contact with are moral despite their belief in their Bible. They praise their god and tell me that the instructions for performing forced abortions, all the killings, and the rejection of homosexuals are things of the past that have nothing to do with good Christians of today. It's like these Christians recognize those parts of their Holy Bible that are incompatible with morality and label those parts as "just misinterpreted" or "from another time". They really can't be pressed in any philosophical sense. I've watched their eyes glaze over when things get too deep for their comfort.

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Comment by Tom Pep on December 12, 2012 at 3:29am

Typical, gloss over the worst parts

This is from the New Testament

Matthew 15:18

3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'

Note the part in red, below is gods command in the old testament.

Exodus 21:15

"Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death."

Is it not time for them to start thinking "Hey, there's something seriously wrong with these books"

 

 

Comment by Ronald Pyatt on December 12, 2012 at 10:24am

I hear it all the time. The New Testament supersedes the old ways of thinking. And indeed, when you look at the ways the books are put together, you can see that a pattern of emerges where they start off saying and agreeing with the Old Testament teachings, but gradually, due to Paul's narrative, they turn to a new direction rejecting the old teachings that they had just earlier said were still in place. Convoluted and backward stories designed to confuse and brainwash the masses with jumbled nonsensical (and fictitious) events that have no place in the moral landscape.

Comment by Joseph Barney on December 13, 2012 at 1:08pm

That particular scripture assumes that the parents are good. There's a lot of bad that parents do even these days, and not just in the USA. I'm sure it happened back then especially. Say, a father is being abusive to the teen and the teen decides to take that hickory stick and beat him senseless. Per the Bible they are put to death right? Reminds me of child executions in Iran. Iran felt the pressure from the world for that so now they jail then until they're 18 and then kill them. Some things never change.

Comment by Ronald Pyatt on December 13, 2012 at 3:33pm

I know an evil parent. She raised 2 sociopaths out of her 3 children. She's very religious, superstitious, and abusive to all her family.

Comment by Joseph Barney on December 13, 2012 at 9:17pm

That's what I mean. Even today there's parents that shouldn't be parents. My dad was one of those people. He's calmed down now that he's old but when I was younger I got the living crap kicked out of me for no reason at all. He was also very religious and hypocritical about it. My mom is religious but isn't psycho about it. She's not always on the topic of religion and is nice. Religion can be "good' in some cases. We've had religious neighbors help with repairs on the home in the past. However, some of the teachings of the LDS religion make me uncomfortable, particularly the stuff about the "curse of the black/dark skin" deal where they teach that dark skin is a curse from God against bad people, being the ancestors of Native Americans and Latinos. There's other stuff that doesn't sit well with me too. It turned my dad into a nutjob and I've known members that've spouted some pretty lame things and been abusive to me too. If I was a weaker person, I'd be locked up in a mental institution for the rest of my days from the trauma. Mormons have put me through hell. I do recognize though, there are some that are nice. That's one of my small victories is not being completely bitter about the ordeal though some days I wanna slap some of them. haha

But per the parent thing, you know the saying "spare the rod, spoil the child?" That basically says that kids will grow up "wrong" if you don't beat them. That kind of attitude is bad. A kid has the right to defend themselves but some state or even federal laws won't recognize that. There's also passages in the Bible about kids being sold into slavery if they work on Sunday, the Sabbath, or something like that. Maybe it was put to death too. That's crazy. Work is not recreation. Work is to put food on the table and a roof over your head and buy clothes. The rich don't really work sometimes. Especially back then in Biblical times so this affected the somewhat poor aka the Biblical middle class. A lot of this Biblical stuff doesn't affect the rich as much as it affects the poor. Maybe that's why Jesus dogged on the rich, saying that it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to get into heaven. Perhaps it takes brains to get rich? Or some insight? You have to be shrewd/wise. A cult doesn't like smart people who resist.

Comment by James Cox on December 14, 2012 at 3:51am

A cult only likes smart people that promote!

Comment by Dr.Grixis on December 14, 2012 at 11:25am

The main thing to remember about religion, Christianity included and something that most ex-theists here would probably would agree on, is that religion and belief are mostly about emotions, not logic.

As such, theists belief they already know their god(s), and they can pick and choose from their scripture believing that since they know god, their interpretation has to be right. And since god is with them, surely he would let them know if they are wrong. 

It all reminds me of Terry Pratchett's book "Small Gods", which I can highly recommend, the Omnian church and dogma in that book are hilarious and very descriptive of some logical fallacies that most, if not all, theists fall prey to.

Emotions are great for determining internal truths, but not that great for determining external (natural) facts.

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