OP: The funny thing is ... I've ALWAYS said this, since it would match up with the Creation account in the Torah. Now, don't I get a Nobel Prize or award money or something for figuring it out first?
'The chicken came first, not the egg', scientists provewww.metro.co.ukIt’s an age-old puzzle that’s stumped generations of scientists.
OP: Now it's your job to decide if I'm trolling or if I'm serious.
OP: Or both.
DA: Que AT.. GO
OP: I'm waiting for Adam to respond ... or Jake to drive-by with his usual "Hi! I'm an atheist!" routine.DA: I expected it before my post actually.
Jake LeMaster Well I deleted my beautifully worded thought out post and decided hey this is enough since only obvious things matter... Eggs were being laid by reptiles and amphibians way before chickens and other birds even existed.. I'm sure a deist, or Buddhist could come to the same logical conclusion.. that comment comes from a basic understanding of biology and logical thinking and has nothing to do with the atheist stance against religion.. Good day! :D51 minutes ago · Like · 1 person
Jake LeMaster I could also Explain why the bible is correct and humans are a unique creation even though we share a majortiy of our genetic code with chimpanzees due to a common ancestor... But that would require i take a presupposed stance that validates creation rationally.. and instantly invalidate itself logically.... Oh this is fun.. Bring on some more!! :D
OP: So, you're saying a chicken popped out of an amphibian egg? XD
Jake LeMaster: Nope I'm saying a precursor to the chicken at one time popped out of a reptile egg and as that creature continued to progress it adapted as such slowly as time progressed for it's own survival.. You can twist every way you want... But I gave you a valid explanation.. how detailed do you want it and I can write you a few paragraphs?
OP: At some point in time, though, a chicken would have had to come out of an egg that was not laid by a chicken. Correct?
Jake LeMaster A reptile laid a reptile egg and a slightly feathered reptile came out then on and on and on more feathers adaptation... a protein developed in another precursor and they become more bird like then a bird laid a bird egg.. and a bird popped out.. as well that bird was a tiny bit different than the previous bird and so on and so on and so on. like a shorter beak or a tiny bit taller... or its legs were a little bit longer, or it was a little bit more territorial or hey.. a strong more rapid acting protein developed in the next generation :D. that is as O'Reilly as I can make it sound.. What are you not getting here? you notice there are about 30 different kinds of chickens all that look a bit different from each other... Now if you want to get technical we can talk about why "chickens" specifically the ones in captivity specially bread by "scientists" for egg and meat production lay white eggs and all look the same? but then that defeats the point of there being 30 different kinds of chickens that all adapted differently but are genetically the same to the point they can interbreed successfully and their offspring can have offspring.. Cause I can explain that too.. But your not really looking for an actual answer here... Your looking for an opposition to try and prove wrong to make your self feel good and look right and you failed :D
That article is named very badly... It should be called... 'The precursor to modern chicken came first, not the egg shell protein ovocledidin-17 (OC-17)' But what do you expect got to make it good and controversial sounding to get a bunch of hits and thats what the news was going after.. What does this well worded bit of spin art quotation get for Dr Colin Freeman Most likely a huge check from some creationist organization that has as much money as "god" Thank you!
swallow your pride Next subject please! :D
OP: So, you're saying that at some point a non-chicken birthed a chicken?
Jake LeMaster Trying to oversimplify a complex system because it does not adhere to your biblical beliefs is asinine.. You understood everything I just said... Do not be dishonest with me Daniel I would like to think that your better than that.. This in no way disproves "god" this only disproves the creation story in the bible written by ancient bronze age douche bags that also believed slavery to be moral... If you want to expand this discussion please do it honestly sir.
OP: It is a simple yes-or-no question: at some point did a non-chicken give birth to a chicken?
And douche bags as recently as the present day believe slavery is moral, so I don't understand what that has to do with anything.
JC: This is incorrect due to symantics, The egg came first, It does not specify, Which came first the chicken or IT'S egg, Therefore reptiles were laying eggs long before chickens did.
JC: We can just scrap your question daniel about chickens and non chickens, Reptiles laid eggs before any bird did.
Jake LeMaster It's not a yes or no question it requires understanding of a process for the explanation to be valid..
JC: OP, I respect you, but I have to go with your friend Jake on this one, Your religious beliefs are getting in the way of what science proves.
OP: Science proves that the chicken predates the chicken egg. So, I'm asking: does that mean, at some point, a non-chicken gave birth to a chicken? Why is that not a yes-or-no question?
JC: If the chicken predates the chicken egg then that means the chicken would have had to evolved from a different animal. And I would imagine that that other animal probably laid eggs.
OP: So, you're saying a non-chicken gave birth to a chicken?
Jake LeMaster: a chicken like precursor gave birth to a more aptly described current day chicken
JC: Im saying I dont know the answer, but logically, Im saying it would seem that the precurssor animal to the chicken laid the egg of what would become a chicken.
OP: So, that's a yes?
OP: A non-chicken gave birth to a chicken?
JC: That is a probably.
JC: Look at us. Is it illogical to say that a human with a lifespan of 45 years can have a descendant that can live 100+ years?
JC: Things change and adapt.
OP: That's silly. :-D
JC: Silly because you dont want to accept it?
OP: Silly because you're both feeding the troll. I like getting Jake riled up and making him write fifteen paragraphs.
Jake LeMaster: 15 paragraphs worth writing if you ask me
Jake LeMaster: My brain needs the work out... easily dealing with Mundane Moderates gets old....