It has long been common knowledge that Boy Scouts of America and the LGBT Community or indeed the Atheist Community don’t exactly see eye to eye. 

The Boy Scouts of America is a large private youth organisation in the United States. I has very strict policies which prohibit atheists from membership in its Scouting program, and prohibit “open or avowed” homosexuals from leadership roles in its Scouting program as directly violating its fundamental principles and tenets. The Boy Scouts of America has denied or revoked membership status or leadership positions of youths and adults for violation of these foundational principles. These principals or positions have been ongoing since 1991 which state:

 

“inconsistent with the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed”.   

 

By the looks of things these principals are not going to change anytime soon. The organisation claim that these policies or rather ban have been under review for the last two years. Bob Mazzuca, chief scout executive, said: 

 

 “The vast majority of the parents of youth we serve value their right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisers, and at the appropriate time and in the right setting.

“While a majority of our membership agrees with our policy, we fully understand that no single policy will accommodate the many diverse views among our membership or society.”

 

Scouting den leader Jennifer Tyrell was removed from the group after the truth of her sexual orientation became known. Because of this approximately one month ago a petition of 275,000 signatures was presented to the organisation requesting for the ban to cease. In short the ban has not be ceased and still carries on. 

You may be asking, what can be done about this? Well this may not be the answer everyone wants to hear, but it is the facts as they happen to be. The law supports the Boy Scouts of America’s decision to have the polices they currently have. In 2008 the US Supreme Court ruled that the organisation can ban or remove leaders on the bases of sexual orientation stating that they could not force the organization:

 

“to accept members where such acceptance would derogate from the organisation’s expressive message”.

And there is also the obvious issue that BSA are indeed a private organisation and not funded by the US government therefore many of their rules and polices are of their own discretion. So from a legal standpoint one cannot really do much to prevent BSA from enforcing the rules they enforce. All one can really hope to do is possibly organise more petitions against these polices, protest against these polices or boycott the organization entirely. Personally I feel that boycotting is the best answer. 

Boycotting is the best solution because firstly signing petition no matter how many signatures one gets in support of removing the ban clearly isn’t working. Its going to be the same vicious cycle over and over again. Its almost like trying to convince a large group of creationists that evolution is indeed a fact, you might convince a few of them but the vast majority of them are so engrained with their religious viewpoint they wont even care to listen to reason. The BSA are no different, their anti gay / anti atheist position is based on religious reasons, not reason and certainly not fact nor rationality.

As for protesting? This more or less will have the same effect as the petitions. We would be only trying to convince a group of people who are not willing to listen to reason or rational. 

So why is boycotting better? Boycotting is a better solution because by doing this we can reason with a group of people who are reasonable and will listen to reason and even more importantly care about equality and treating other human beings with dignity and respect. BSA do not have this philosophy and one could even claim they are no different from your average hate group, they just happen to be much more submissive about their hatred. If boycotting the Boy Scouts of America where to be successful it would remove their power, possibly move them towards a decline of membership and possibly render them as a useless organisation entirely. When a retail store provides poor customer service and all round horrendous treatment towards their customers, chances are they will go out of business. Why should the Boy Scouts of America not suffer the same fate? 

I would advise any parent or guardian to never send their children to the Boy Scouts. I would also advise any person interested in giving some time to give something back to their community look towards alternative organization than the Boy Scouts. By participating in the Boy Scouts or allowing our children to be members of the Boy Scouts we are endorsing discrimination, treating others for being differently unfairly, it endorses bullying. Is that the sort of message that we should be teaching children? To be bullies? And the Boy Scouts of America are indeed bullies. 

The Boy Scouts of America endorses unfair treatment, do not support it. 

 

Source: Pink News: US Boy Scouts will keep ban on gay people

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Comment by kris feenstra on July 18, 2012 at 4:16pm

It's always a shame when an organization does good things in a discriminatory way.  I don't want to undo the positives of the organization; I'd just like them to open up those positives to all people for which they have no rational reason to exclude.  Scouts Canada and many other national scouting leagues got over the homosexuality issue (and partially over the atheism issue).  They do not appear to have suffered for it.  No real evidence to suggest that the BSA would suffer for it either.  Arguments about traditional values have minimal weight: much of Scouting is a mere shell of its original structure anyway.  

The petitions aren't necessarily such a bad thing.  Even if the BSA or government officials (where the issue of public funding has been raised) don't take it seriously enough, that doesn't mean nobody takes it seriously.  The BSA has lost several major private sponsors over this issue already, and with time will lose more.  Really, financial pressure is not the reason I would want to see the organization change, but in this case it would still be better than nothing.  I'll bet there are many individual scouting groups that would have no problem accepting LGBT members and leaders, but they cannot do so because one complaint from a parent to the higher ups and they're sunk.  Disheartening to say the least.

I was a scout when I was young.  I have a lot of fond memories of the experience and I would say that it was a positive experience overall.  If I knew that they were practicing such discrimination, however, I'd have quit.  I don't want to be a part of that.

Comment by Unseen on July 18, 2012 at 11:29pm

I haven't had anything to do with them since I was about 7 years old.

I guess I've been boycotting them for about 60 years!

Do they sell Boy Scout Cookies? If they do, I promise not to buy any.

Anyway, here's an opportunity to form (drum roll) The Gay Scouts!

Comment by Nerdy Keith on July 18, 2012 at 11:58pm

@Unseen lol well good for you man haha

Comment by Jesse on July 19, 2012 at 1:09am

Just for clarity the Girl Scouts have no such issues to my knowledge.

So we can all keep buying cookies. =)

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on July 19, 2012 at 1:36am

I would like to point out that the Boy Scouts of Canada does not discriminate on religion (or lack thereof) or sexual orientation.  They had a bit of trouble a few years ago with a girl who wanted to be a boy scout (but not a boy) but that's about it.

Comment by kris feenstra on July 19, 2012 at 2:29am
How many years ago was "a few"? I went to the Canadian jamboree something like fifteen years ago, and there were already a fair number of girls in different troops.

Then again, what individual groups do and what official regulations state aren't necessarily the same thing.
Comment by Heather Spoonheim on July 19, 2012 at 2:32am

Perhaps it was just a particular troop - just a vague memory for me.

Comment by archaeopteryx on July 19, 2012 at 4:28am

It occurs to me that if their convictions are sufficiently strong, and the pressure from the public is as well, they might feel the only way they can preserve their values is to shut it down. I've seen firsthand what a positive effect Scouting has had on all of the boys with whom I was in the BSA, and I would hate to think that future generations might lose those benefits.

Comment by Nerdy Keith on July 19, 2012 at 6:29am

@Heather

It is the very same for the Boy Scouts of Ireland. They even made a statement about it on their website. So far it seems to be only the Boy Scouts of "America" who has the atheist and gay ban.  

Comment by Unseen on July 19, 2012 at 8:32am

@archaeopteryx

Mitt Romney: "My advice is for them to take their operation offshore." (fake quote)

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